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Old February 27 2013, 10:03 PM   #136
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Re: The old "DS9 stole from B5" thing

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Ensign Ricky is bringing up comparable, almost-around-the-same-time works of art.
Nope. You following the conversation?

I wasn't following the conversation; I zoned out about nineteen years ago.
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Old February 28 2013, 12:44 AM   #137
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yes, Sisko has lost his wife too, so what?
The point was specifically addressing the claim that being set on a station was the *only* similarity between shows. It wasn't. Does it mean they were copied? No. But it's also false to say that there was one similiarity and one only.
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Old February 28 2013, 09:58 AM   #138
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There is an association of Babylon 5 with PTEN! PTEN was owned jointly by Chris-Craft and Warner Bros. Who started UPN? Chris-Craft and Paramount. That's where the connection is; at the station level, not the studio level.
Trying to simply be argumentative? I said that much. I meant there was no association between B5 and UPN or WB when it came to what station it aired on. A bunch of people for years and years have mistakenly assumed when a syndicated or PTEN show aired on UPN or WB in their market, that meant it was a UPN or WB show or think when UPN or WB came about, they picked up B5.

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Yes, because UPN didn't have a full schedule at the time.
Ummmm.... My UPN affiliate was a PTEN affiliate. I was using that point to illustrate B5 didn't necessarily air on WB affiliates. They remained with the former PTEN affiliate, whoever they were. UPN & WB took a couple of seasons to fill Mon-Fri. Even if they did have a full schedule, it would have simply bumped Babylon 5 to a weekend timeslot as most syndicated series (e.g. DS9, Hercules, Xena, Earth: Final Conflict) usually aired in.
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Old February 28 2013, 11:27 AM   #139
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Z'ha'dum is the place where the hero falls to his death and is resurrected, only to leave for the distant land with the elder races at the end of his journey.

Oh, wait.
Which come to think of it was also exactly what happened to Sisko in the fire caves at the end of DS9.
Which just goes to show how much these are simply archetypal story concepts that recur over and over throughout literature, as the post quoted by Jan stated.

The same things happen in Babylon 5, in Deep Space Nine, in Doctor Who, in Lord of the Rings, in Star Wars, in Greek/Roman mythology... hell, in the Bible. Where do you think the idea of dying, staying dead for a while, then coming back to life and going off to heaven comes from? It's all the same, and has been for millenia, which is why focusing this entire argument on two TV shows from the 1990s is just a little bit ridiculous.
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Old February 28 2013, 11:30 AM   #140
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Z'ha'dum is the place where the hero falls to his death and is resurrected, only to leave for the distant land with the elder races at the end of his journey.

Oh, wait.
Which come to think of it was also exactly what happened to Sisko in the fire caves at the end of DS9.
Which just goes to show how much these are simply archetypal story concepts that recur over and over throughout literature, as the post quoted by Jan stated.

The same things happen in Babylon 5, in Deep Space Nine, in Doctor Who, in Lord of the Rings, in Star Wars, in Greek/Roman mythology... hell, in the Bible. Where do you think the idea of dying, staying dead for a while, then coming back to life and going off the heaven comes from? It's all the same, and has been for millenia, which is why focusing this entire argument on two TV shows from the 1990s is just a little bit ridiculous.
I disagree. It's monumentally ridiculous.
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Old February 28 2013, 04:26 PM   #141
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Feh. It's something to kill time talking about.
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Old February 28 2013, 04:53 PM   #142
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So once this is settled, what's the prize?
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Old February 28 2013, 04:55 PM   #143
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There is an association of Babylon 5 with PTEN! PTEN was owned jointly by Chris-Craft and Warner Bros. Who started UPN? Chris-Craft and Paramount. That's where the connection is; at the station level, not the studio level.
Trying to simply be argumentative? I said that much.
Just making it clear that PTEN existed as an entity as well. Stations that had PTEN shows had to take all of them; they didn't pick and choose which ones they wanted like other syndication packages. (Of course, they could just throw them into the 3:00 AM death slot if they wanted). Some of the PTEN stations that switched to UPN also gave up the PTEN shows and other independent stations picked them up. In some cases, the stations kept both. Also, the department that formed the WB network was actually a separate division of the Time/Warner behemoth than the one that formed PTEN.
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Old February 28 2013, 05:24 PM   #144
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So once this is settled, what's the prize?

Your answer was one post ahead of your question.


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Old February 28 2013, 05:31 PM   #145
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Old February 28 2013, 05:49 PM   #146
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Old February 28 2013, 05:50 PM   #147
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There can be only one...!
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Old February 28 2013, 06:02 PM   #148
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Whoever has the gun, obviously.
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Old February 28 2013, 06:47 PM   #149
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Old February 28 2013, 10:22 PM   #150
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Perhaps Future Guy can come and end this threa -- HEY...wait a minute...Future Guy? A guy traveling about through the centuries? Didn't they steal that idea from Quantum Leap? I guess Quantum Leap was decades, not centuries. Clever...they thought they could pull the wool over our eyes. But wait, they even stole the actor!!!
...and wait -- Quantum Leap stole their imagery from TMP!

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