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Old February 22 2013, 12:36 AM   #16
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Re: Whatever happened to Type I phasers

There was this great little phone by samsung called e770, which I have for about four years. If you flicked it the right way you could get it to open like a communicator, but it was also the size of a type-I phaser. when no-one was looking... you can guess the rest!

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Old February 22 2013, 07:20 PM   #17
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Re: Whatever happened to Type I phasers

These days they have tasers disguised as cell phones.

I'm thinking of Star Trek was really on the ball they would have the phasers built right into their communicators. "Need to stun a Klingon at 60 yards? There's an app for that!"
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Old February 23 2013, 10:06 PM   #18
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There was a prop of the ST V assault phaser that had a very tiny phaser inside the back somehow.
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Old February 24 2013, 11:07 PM   #19
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Everytime i change a Telxon battery at work all I can think of is the Type I
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Old February 26 2013, 01:37 AM   #20
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Re: Whatever happened to Type I phasers

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There was a prop of the ST V assault phaser that had a very tiny phaser inside the back somehow.
Yep!

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Old February 26 2013, 01:39 AM   #21
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Re: Whatever happened to Type I phasers

It always seems (on screen) like the smaller type 2 phasers are just as powerful as the bigger, bulkier type 1 that they fit into (and I'm guessing that he type 2 is the beam-creating component)...

But really, the Type 2 extension should add extra life and extra power and range.
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Old February 26 2013, 03:26 AM   #22
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Nice pic Bryce. Are there any more of that smaller Type 1?
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Old February 26 2013, 09:47 AM   #23
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http://www.phasers.net/2280/st5prop1.jpg

From "Devil in the Dark", the Type 2 handle certainly adds "penetrating power", making the weapon useful against the silicon beast whereas Type 1 was somehow inherently incapable of hurting it.

TNG backstage doubletalk gives the bigger guns more "options" (in addition to power settings) and suggests that Type 1 can "barely" vaporize targets at its highest setting (eight lights glowing) whereas Type 2 and Type 3 have eight additional power settings beyond this basic vaporize. It's a dramatic conceit first and foremost: how much more firepower can you add beyond being able to completely make your enemy disappear?

If you can remove the rock behind which he hides, fine. But can you also remove the building in which his HQ lies? The hill behind which he is camping? Treknologically, you should be able to do that with your sidearm. But what does the ability do to drama?

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Old February 26 2013, 10:07 AM   #24
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Re: Whatever happened to Type I phasers

Riker had to turn up his phaser-2 so that all the glowy lights were on, in The Vengeance Factor. I thought that was pretty dramatic.

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Old February 26 2013, 08:54 PM   #25
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It's a dramatic conceit first and foremost: how much more firepower can you add beyond being able to completely make your enemy disappear?
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Old February 27 2013, 03:45 PM   #26
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Riker had to turn up his phaser-2 so that all the glowy lights were on, in The Vengeance Factor. I thought that was pretty dramatic.
Yup, 8+8 green lights. Whether this means setting 8 or setting 16, we might debate. After all, in "Frame of Mind", Riker says setting 16 should remove half a building, and Worf uses the setting for blasting away a lot of rock in "Chain of Command". OTOH, backstage material says that setting 8 is the lowest that will remove the target from existence - thus the setting Riker would need to put Yuta out of her misery, without a smidgen of overkill.

Perhaps the lights turn red for settings 9-16?

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Old February 28 2013, 03:44 AM   #27
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Maybe he cranked it up to 16 because she showed some kind of extra resistance?
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Old February 28 2013, 04:30 AM   #28
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Maybe he cranked it up to 16 because she showed some kind of extra resistance?
Yeah, she did. Rationally, Riker couldn't keep giving her chances; he'd already given her two. Maxing it was the most he could do, and it was time for that. I mean, my perception was that maxing the setting, to whatever full-strength disintegrate was, was the intent.
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Old February 28 2013, 05:29 AM   #29
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Right. IIRC, he had already hit her with stun settings and she was still standing so the kill setting might not have stopped her from reaching her target.
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Old February 28 2013, 10:36 AM   #30
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Not succumbing to various levels of stun or kill just means Yuta isn't your average humanoid. But not succumbing to setting 8, the vaporization of matter, would mean Yuta isn't made of matter!

I don't see the reason for overkill beyond setting 8. Especially since there was an immense risk of collateral damage, with important political figures around the table and a lot at stake with keeping them alive and well.

This is why the 16 green lights don't give me quite the level of satisfaction a treknology nerd like me should be getting here...

(However, the previous settings at least make great sense. The first would be some sort of standard or heavy stun, the same Riker has already used on the Gatherer henchmen. The second appears to be something like Level 5, which the TNG Tech Man equates with "thermal effects" (kill or at least seriously maim but without vaporizing).

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