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Old February 27 2013, 06:34 PM   #76
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I'd just like to say that the phrase "normal evolutionary state" indicates such an appallingly poor grasp of the mechanisms of evolution that I can scarcely believe my eyes. I could write a book on what's wrong with that statement.

Suffice it to say, you are completely wrong on this point.
They were alive when they hit the planet, they will live on (as the S'ona show) long after they leave the planet. Maybe I worded it wrong, but they are simply returning to the state they were in when they landed on the planet.


Secondly, forcibly relocating people to get your cure for cancer is wrong. You're basically putting a natural resource above people's lives. Not the kind of thing a benevolent organization like the Federation ought to be pursuing.
Huh?

Your putting the property rights of six hundred people above the well being of possibly trillions of beings. How is that anymore "right"?

EDIT: Sorry I missed this...

This is nuts. First of all, Federation lives were already put at risk through the joint operation with Son'a, so that one doesn't even wash.
Federation lives weren't at stake until Picard got involved.
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Old February 27 2013, 06:44 PM   #77
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I'm sorry to interrupt your arrogant neo-conservative shtick, but I live in a country that starts its constitution with the sentence "Human dignity is inviolable".
Your from Germany, right?
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Old February 27 2013, 06:48 PM   #78
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I'm sorry to interrupt your arrogant neo-conservative shtick, but I live in a country that starts its constitution with the sentence "Human dignity is inviolable".
Your from Germany, right?
No, I live there.

But good job ignoring every single point I made. Classy.
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Old February 27 2013, 06:50 PM   #79
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I'm sorry to interrupt your arrogant neo-conservative shtick, but I live in a country that starts its constitution with the sentence "Human dignity is inviolable".
Your from Germany, right?
No, I live there.

But good job ignoring every single point I made. Classy.
I just hate being painted with a broad brush because I disagree with someone over a point in a movie. So you can take your "arrogant neo-conservative shtick" comment and cram it where the sun don't shine.

And try not to judge us too harshly since your nation of residence has had a major hand in two World Wars costing millions of lives.
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Old February 27 2013, 06:58 PM   #80
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And try not to judge us too harshly since your nation of residence has had a major hand in two World Wars costing millions of lives.
Oh, make no mistake. I knew your comment was trying to godwin the discussion. I just figured I'd give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not going for such a lame cheap shot that has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand or the people having it.

I don't have to paint you with a broad brush to make your posts look shallow, petty and vile.
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Old February 27 2013, 06:59 PM   #81
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I don't have to paint you with a broad brush to make your posts look shallow, petty and vile.
Yes because saving lives and making sure that everyone has access to a resource is shallow, petty and vile.

Who knew rich people were right all along? Those that don't have things should just wait around for whatever scraps the rich decide to toss their way.
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Old February 27 2013, 07:01 PM   #82
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I don't have to paint you with a broad brush to make your posts look shallow, petty and vile.
Yes because saving lives and making sure that everyone has access to a resource is shallow, petty and vile.
No, your backhanded remark about Germany was hateful, petty and vile.

I only live here but I'm starting to understand why some Germans prefer to not give away their location online because there's always some smartass going: "Your opinion isn't valid because Hitler!".

It would depress me. Fuck, it depresses me anyway.
I hope you're proud of yourself for being so damn witty. And by witty I mean tedious.
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Old February 27 2013, 07:02 PM   #83
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I'm going to level a friendly at this point, guys, but you're bordering on flame territory. No implying that someone is a Nazi, got it?

ETA: Emilia, let it drop. If this continues on either side, you and BillJ will get a warning. I hope that's understood, gentlemen.
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Old February 27 2013, 07:04 PM   #84
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No, your backhanded remark about Germany was hateful, petty and vile.
So was your "arrogant neo-conservative shtick" comment. So I apologize for the comment about Germany and lets say we call it a day with the petty sniping at each other?
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Old February 27 2013, 07:04 PM   #85
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I'm going to level a friendly at this point, guys, but you're bordering on flame territory. No implying that someone is a Nazi, got it?

ETA: Emilia, let it drop. If this continues on either side, you and BillJ will get a warning. I hope that's understood, gentlemen.
I never implied that.

My comment was more along the lines of "those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".
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Old February 27 2013, 07:05 PM   #86
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No, your backhanded remark about Germany was hateful, petty and vile.
So was your ""arrogant neo-conservative shtick"" comment. So I apologize for the comment about Germany and lets say we call it a day with the petty sniping at each other?
Except your points strongly resembled neo-con ideology. I laid that out in my post that you chose to ignore.

My points on the other hand surely didn't look like Nazi points, right?

So yeah, since you completely disqualified yourself I'm indeed going to refrain from any further interaction with you.
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I'm going to level a friendly at this point, guys, but you're bordering on flame territory. No implying that someone is a Nazi, got it?

ETA: Emilia, let it drop. If this continues on either side, you and BillJ will get a warning. I hope that's understood, gentlemen.
I never implied that.

My comment was more along the lines of "those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".
I don't live in a glass house. I live in a liberal democracy that has a constitution written with the help of Americans. What happened 60+ years before I moved here has zero relevance to this discussion.
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Old February 27 2013, 07:08 PM   #88
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So yeah, since you completely disqualified yourself I'm indeed going to refrain from any further interaction with you.
Yet you completely ignored all the things I've said in this thread alone about my reasoning for moving the Ba'ku or allowing them to fend for themselves because it doesn't fit with your "arrogant neo-conservative shtick" comment.

So I'll live... somehow...
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Old February 27 2013, 07:25 PM   #89
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"Human dignity is inviolable". It doesn't say "The human dignity of the people in this country is inviolable.

"All men are created equal" should ring a bell to you.
You would seem to be saying (perhaps unintentionally) that the multiple billions of people outside of the Baku group have an equal right to the particles, as do the 600 people inside the Baku group.

There is no indication that the relocated Baku would be exclude from the same access and explosure to the harvested particles, as the rest of the people in the Federation, nor is there any indication that they would have any kind of special access.

However, it is clear that after harvesting, the Baku would no longer enjoy sole access.

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I'd like to apologize to { Emilia } for the comments about Germany. It was out-of-bounds on my part.

Sometimes an argument can get the better of me.
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