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Old February 26 2013, 08:52 PM   #1246
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Talking Dead had a good short discussion on how Rick's moment of craziness drove Tyrese et al to the Governor.

And Martinez is a big threat. Not to the Governor, at least not yet, because he doesn't seem to want to be boss, but because he likes to bully.

Merle was fitting in pretty well there. Surprise! But maybe that's become his nature, after seeing how crazy the Governor is.

And I don't want them to kill Judith. I want them to get the prison cleaned out a bit more. Settle there a bit. Though the show is built on a nomadic existence, that nowhere is safe anymore. I mean, how will you have "the walking dead" be a threat if they're all safely outside the fence? The focus of the show would have to change. If they stay at the prison, rebuild it, expand a bit--the next threat could be from any leftover governmental types.
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Old February 26 2013, 08:53 PM   #1247
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I don't know that the show is trying to redeem Merle. Even the devil can quote scripture. Is that how the old saying goes?

I am tired of the Governor. Andrea does not annoy me or make me like her. She is just there. She is a very expendable character in my book.

I am glad that Michone finally spoke up and said something of substance this week. The stoic warrior chick routine was getting old. Hopefully her going with Rick and Carl next week will give us even more glimpses.

I love Daryl and Carol. I enjoyed their few minutes of screen time more than anything else.

I liked that Tyrese and his sister/daughter? showed back up. The father/son combo are red shirt material.
In the Comic Michone is kind of Rick's Bodyguard and they are great friends and it would be nice if they start developing that next week.
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Old February 26 2013, 09:24 PM   #1248
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I thought the episode was pretty good. I'm honestly not sure at this point what is going to become of Andrea. She seems to be trying to keep herself in the middle of the two groups, but sooner or later she's going to have to pick a side and shut up and stick with it. I'm thinking that she's probably going to go with Woodbury, if only to protect the townspeople.
I was surprised to see Tyrese and his group side with The Governor, but I guess after how Rick acted towards them it is understandable.
I'm very curious to see what they are going to do with Merle. I was honestly kind of surprised he just went with Daryl so quickly. I was expecting more of a them or me moment. But I guess it just shows how much he really cares about Daryl that he was willing to go back to the group.
I don't know if love has anything to do with it. I think Merle for the first time in his life is out of his element. He's had the safety of Woodbury and soft beds and warm showers to retreat to all of this time. The last time he was living on the outside the world was still a lot safer. He's an opportunist and can see Daryl is better at this than he is. Plus, there might be an opportunity to exploit some of those other people who wronged him.
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Old February 26 2013, 09:36 PM   #1249
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Carl killing the governor would be unexpected--especially if he does it to defend Rick, only after Rick and Carl are dealing with tension.
But that's pretty much what already happened with Shane.

Yeah, but there was not the tension between Rick and Carl as implied by the preview of today's episode. Not to mention Beth kissing Rick (even if innocent) may not have been lost on Carl, but we will have to wait and see about that.

Yes, but at some point, pieces can be lost that sufficiently devalue the entertainment experience. Daryl's my favorite character on the show and I just don't see the remaining ones holding my interest as the show currently exists.
that's where the writers have to step in and continue to develop the original and new characters, so in the event Daryl is killed off, you will have growing storylines/arcs to keep the audience interested. In theory.
My girlfriend and I watch this show religiously, and I've been telling her since Merle got reintroduced that they're going to kill off Daryl and replace him with Merle.

I've noticed the trend. Introduce Oscar, kill off T-Dogg. Introduce Tyrese, kill off Oscar. Introduce Herschel, kill off Dale. There's usually a new similar character that shows up just as one character is about to die. And Daryl is too likable to keep around. There can be only one redneck in the group. Everybody wants Meryl to get it, but, mark my words, it'll be Daryl.
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Old February 26 2013, 09:37 PM   #1250
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As an aside, I'm curious if anyone has any information about why the people in Woodbury would be running extension cords to all of the light fixtures? Instead, why wouldn't they just hook a larger generator to the power grid and fire up the regular electrical connections in people's homes?

Just an asthetic question.
That's valid, but you could explain it by saying that they don't have a larger generator, only multiple small ones. You can't sync those together and the wiring has to be kept separate. Therefore, lots of extension cords.

Do we even know how much of Woodbury even has power? The communal areas, the Governor's suite, the upscale guest quarters, sure. But what about individual quarters?
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Old February 26 2013, 09:45 PM   #1251
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But that's pretty much what already happened with Shane.

Yeah, but there was not the tension between Rick and Carl as implied by the preview of today's episode. Not to mention Beth kissing Rick (even if innocent) may not have been lost on Carl, but we will have to wait and see about that.

that's where the writers have to step in and continue to develop the original and new characters, so in the event Daryl is killed off, you will have growing storylines/arcs to keep the audience interested. In theory.
My girlfriend and I watch this show religiously, and I've been telling her since Merle got reintroduced that they're going to kill off Daryl and replace him with Merle.

I've noticed the trend. Introduce Oscar, kill off T-Dogg. Introduce Tyrese, kill off Oscar. Introduce Herschel, kill off Dale. There's usually a new similar character that shows up just as one character is about to die. And Daryl is too likable to keep around. There can be only one redneck in the group. Everybody wants Meryl to get it, but, mark my words, it'll be Daryl.
Daryl's so popular that killing the character off might actually end the show.
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Old February 26 2013, 10:07 PM   #1252
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My girlfriend and I watch this show religiously, and I've been telling her since Merle got reintroduced that they're going to kill off Daryl and replace him with Merle.

I've noticed the trend. Introduce Oscar, kill off T-Dogg. Introduce Tyrese, kill off Oscar. Introduce Herschel, kill off Dale. There's usually a new similar character that shows up just as one character is about to die. And Daryl is too likable to keep around. There can be only one redneck in the group. Everybody wants Meryl to get it, but, mark my words, it'll be Daryl.
Daryl's so popular that killing the character off might actually end the show.
Agreed. I think a lot of viewers will leave if they kill Daryl. Merle is no replacement.
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Old February 26 2013, 10:34 PM   #1253
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My girlfriend and I watch this show religiously, and I've been telling her since Merle got reintroduced that they're going to kill off Daryl and replace him with Merle.

I've noticed the trend. Introduce Oscar, kill off T-Dogg. Introduce Tyrese, kill off Oscar. Introduce Herschel, kill off Dale. There's usually a new similar character that shows up just as one character is about to die. And Daryl is too likable to keep around. There can be only one redneck in the group. Everybody wants Meryl to get it, but, mark my words, it'll be Daryl.
I do not see Merle as a replacement for Daryl, as they were/are different personalities from the start. no matter what happens, Merle would not have the background of a victim, like Daryl

For that matter, I do not see that much of an exchange of similar characters elsewhere. For example, Herschel was introduced, but he's nothing like Dale, who under no circumstances rationalized killing enemies if push came to shove.

Herschel might argue in favor of running, but he would not hesitate to shoot anyone threatening his family. Dale's left mindset reject that right up to the moment he dies.

T-Dog and Oscar were also different other than being African American and male; T-Dog had a sympathetic view of others (well, not Merle), and felt he was on the outside of the group from time to time. Oscar was at home at the prison, no matter what he was in for, and was not a second fiddle.
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Old February 27 2013, 01:59 AM   #1254
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My girlfriend and I watch this show religiously, and I've been telling her since Merle got reintroduced that they're going to kill off Daryl and replace him with Merle.

I've noticed the trend. Introduce Oscar, kill off T-Dogg. Introduce Tyrese, kill off Oscar. Introduce Herschel, kill off Dale. There's usually a new similar character that shows up just as one character is about to die. And Daryl is too likable to keep around. There can be only one redneck in the group. Everybody wants Meryl to get it, but, mark my words, it'll be Daryl.
I do not see Merle as a replacement for Daryl, as they were/are different personalities from the start. no matter what happens, Merle would not have the background of a victim, like Daryl

For that matter, I do not see that much of an exchange of similar characters elsewhere. For example, Herschel was introduced, but he's nothing like Dale, who under no circumstances rationalized killing enemies if push came to shove.

Herschel might argue in favor of running, but he would not hesitate to shoot anyone threatening his family. Dale's left mindset reject that right up to the moment he dies.

T-Dog and Oscar were also different other than being African American and male; T-Dog had a sympathetic view of others (well, not Merle), and felt he was on the outside of the group from time to time. Oscar was at home at the prison, no matter what he was in for, and was not a second fiddle.
But we already got the notion that Merle is a victim in his exchange with Daryl in last week's episode after Rick told them under no circumstances would Merle be allowed back in the group. Daryl mentions something about Merle leaving (which I'm assuming has something to do with an abusive father figure), and Merle acts shocked that Daryl had stayed around to endure such an abusive relationship.
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Old February 27 2013, 02:14 AM   #1255
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^I don't think it was that he stayed, as Daryl is so much younger. I think what he said was something like "He did that you, too?" and sounded rather surprised.

The difference between Merle and Daryl is that Daryl doesn't seem to enjoy hurting people or inflicting pain. He WANTS to help, and however much he hates to admit it, he does want to make a connection with someone else. He didn't have to be kind to Carol when Sophia was missing but he felt compelled to do.

Merle seems to revel in being cruel. He'll sacrifice almost anyone without the slightest hesitation. Let's face it; he's a mean bastard. Daryl is seriously badass, but he's not mean. At his core, he's actually a good person. Daryl is brave and Merle, while one badass MoFo, is actually kind of a coward. He picks on the little guy, is too scared to go after Michonne in the forest, and won't stand up to the Governor. He's an opportunist and a bully and even mocks Daryl, the only person in the world who gives a crap if he lives or dies.

You most certainly cannot say that Merle could every replace Daryl. They are not the slightest bit the same. It's like saying Carol is just like Lori, because they are both female.
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Old February 27 2013, 02:23 AM   #1256
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I wouldn't mind seeing Merle legitimately grow though. The revelation that he and Daryl were both victims of abuse wasn't something I expected.
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Old February 27 2013, 04:24 AM   #1257
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^It was the quickest way to make Merle a more sympathetic character for the audience.
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Old February 27 2013, 04:37 AM   #1258
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Merle is poison. Any attempt to detract from that is a ruse. As a human being he has a sense of self preservation, and anything he does is to that purpose, but he is nevertheless poison, & the poison will always come to the surface

He would have eventually gotten himself screwed with the Governor regardless, & his brother telling him to go to hell is right around the corner, & has been a long time coming. He is a cancer where ever he goes, because his only way to raise himself up is by bringing others down

This is not a forgiving world in which they live (Unless you're Andrea I guess) Merle's way will get him killed eventually, because now more than ever, he must depend on others for his survival

But even that will not stop him from poisoning this situation at some point, because ultimately he will never see this version of his brother as anything but having been polluted with pussy liberalism.

His mistake is that he views what his brother has become as making him weaker, when in fact it makes him stronger, stronger than Merle has ever been or will ever be. If Merle ever realizes that, he'll be jealous, because he is a small pitiful coward hiding behind ruggedness & ruthlessness
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Old February 27 2013, 05:48 AM   #1259
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him killed eventually, because now more than ever, he must depend on others for his survival

But even that will not stop him from poisoning this situation at some point, because ultimately he will never see this version of his brother as anything but having been polluted with pussy liberalism.

His mistake is that he views what his brother has become as making him weaker, when in fact it makes him stronger, stronger than Merle has ever been or will ever be. If Merle ever realizes that, he'll be jealous, because he is a small pitiful coward hiding behind ruggedness & ruthlessness
QFT. QF absolute fucking truth. Merle's not going to become a nice guy. Merle views being merciful as being a pussy. Merle's like Shane. He thinks being ruthless makes you a leader. Merle won't be able to handle Daryl being a real man and a real leader.

TPTB, as shortsighted as they can be, aren't stupid enough to kill off Daryl. Unless Berman and Braga have been put on staff.
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^

And the whole series turns out to be a dream Rick had while in a coma.
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