RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 145,372
Posts: 5,724,027
Members: 25,782
Currently online: 376
Newest member: GregroxMun

TrekToday headlines

Star Trek Uniform Laptop Bag And Fanny Pack
By: T'Bonz on May 26

Star Trek: The Fifty Year Mission
By: T'Bonz on May 26

Where No Garden Gnome Has Gone Before
By: T'Bonz on May 22

Scotland Yard Trekkie Fear
By: T'Bonz on May 22

Koenig Joins Captain Pike Project
By: T'Bonz on May 22

Retro Review: Ex Post Facto
By: Michelle on May 22

Smallwood: Creating The Xindi
By: T'Bonz on May 21

Greenwood Joins O.J. Simpson Series
By: T'Bonz on May 21

The USS Enterprise Building
By: T'Bonz on May 20

Wheaton Guests On Mission Log Podcast
By: T'Bonz on May 20


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Lounges & General Chat > Miscellaneous

Miscellaneous Discussion of non-Trek topics.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old February 19 2013, 03:08 PM   #91
Timelord Victorious
Rear Admiral
 
Timelord Victorious's Avatar
 
Location: Germany, Earth, the Solar System
Re: The Pope

chardman wrote: View Post
Pope Allegedly Sought Immunity For Abuse Crimes Just Before Resigning LINK

Said immunity was sought because rumors has it that some international body was about to issue an arrest warrant for the Pope. Here's a link to a whole mess of links about such, via Google LINK
Very interesting.

I consider it very unlikely that the Ex-Pope will go to jail. Even if he will end up in a trial and found guilty.
Considering his age and health the worst that will happen to him is some form of mild house arrest and the church will happily provide a nice golden cage for him.

I hope, though, that this will trigger a full blown investigation that destroys this conspiracy once and for all and the church gets new people in charge who are on the side of justice for a change.

If that happens the whole celebacy thing should also be abolished, as it's a major driving force of priests acting on their darker impulses.

And they need to know, that they can and will be held responsible.
Everone that commits those atrocities in the first place and everyone who helps with cover-ups.
Timelord Victorious is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 19 2013, 03:20 PM   #92
CorporalCaptain
Admiral
 
CorporalCaptain's Avatar
 
Location: North America
Re: The Pope

I'll be less skeptical of these allegations when the New York Times carries them.
__________________
“A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP” — Leonard Nimoy (1931-2015)
CorporalCaptain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 19 2013, 04:19 PM   #93
Tora Ziyal
Rear Admiral
 
Tora Ziyal's Avatar
 
Re: The Pope

the whole celebacy thing should also be abolished, as it's a major driving force of priests acting on their darker impulses.
Timelord Victorious, if you have any actual evidence of celibacy being the driving force, please cite it. 'Cause I've never seen any. Many convicted pedophiles are married. The first clergy person I ever heard of molesting a child, decades ago, was a married Episcopal priest. Teachers, Boy Scout leaders and doctors are not required to be celibate, and plenty of them have been charged with various inappropriate actions with their students/scouts/patients.

CorporalCaptain wrote: View Post
I'll be less skeptical of these allegations when the New York Times carries them.
This.

And when Snopes.com posts their conclusion. Right now it says they're researching the allegations.

Last edited by Tora Ziyal; February 19 2013 at 04:32 PM.
Tora Ziyal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 19 2013, 10:35 PM   #94
Squiggy
King of Kings
 
Squiggy's Avatar
 
Location: In flux
View Squiggy's Twitter Profile
Re: The Pope

Tora Ziyal wrote: View Post
Timelord Victorious, if you have any actual evidence of celibacy being the driving force, please cite it. 'Cause I've never seen any. Many convicted pedophiles are married.
That proves it!


Wokka wokka.
__________________
ENOUGH OF THIS TURGID BASH WANKERY!
Squiggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 19 2013, 11:15 PM   #95
Timelord Victorious
Rear Admiral
 
Timelord Victorious's Avatar
 
Location: Germany, Earth, the Solar System
Re: The Pope

Well, if I generalized a bit much I apologize.

But I didn't say celibacy is the driving force, I said it is a major driving force. There is a difference.
And of course not only celibate people turn into pedophile sex predators.

i think, most people would agree that most pedophiles have a psychological predisposition of some kind.
I doubt they go out of their way to be evil.

However, I also think, that suppressing your general sexual instincts will certainly not help keep those darker urges in check if you have them.
There is a good chance it will amplify them eventually... in my layman opinion.

And just to be clear, I don't have seen any studies, so it is not a proven statement. So take it as just an opinion.

That said, are there even any studies on percentages of pedophile priests compared to the general public?

At best, there won't be any difference.
Timelord Victorious is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 20 2013, 07:04 AM   #96
RevDMV
Rear Admiral
 
RevDMV's Avatar
 
Location: RevDMV in the Bay Area, CA
Re: The Pope

I saw this thread, and I'll I can think of is for a while we're going to have a Nope instead of a Pope...
__________________
Life is good
RevDMV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 20 2013, 03:43 PM   #97
Tora Ziyal
Rear Admiral
 
Tora Ziyal's Avatar
 
Re: The Pope

^Groan.

Timelord_Victorious wrote: View Post
Well, if I generalized a bit much I apologize.....

So take it as just an opinion.
That works.

That said, are there even any studies on percentages of pedophile priests compared to the general public?

At best, there won't be any difference.
I haven't seen any studies. My suspicion is that any occupation that provides extensive access to children would have a higher percentage of pedophiles than occupations that don't.
Tora Ziyal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 20 2013, 10:34 PM   #98
RevDMV
Rear Admiral
 
RevDMV's Avatar
 
Location: RevDMV in the Bay Area, CA
Re: The Pope

Tora Ziyal wrote: View Post
^Groan.
Multiple 14 hours days, I'm digging deep for any minor chuckles...
__________________
Life is good
RevDMV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 20 2013, 11:23 PM   #99
Squiggy
King of Kings
 
Squiggy's Avatar
 
Location: In flux
View Squiggy's Twitter Profile
Re: The Pope

__________________
ENOUGH OF THIS TURGID BASH WANKERY!
Squiggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 20 2013, 11:41 PM   #100
Mr. Laser Beam
Fleet Admiral
 
Mr. Laser Beam's Avatar
 
Location: The visitor's bullpen
View Mr. Laser Beam's Twitter Profile
Re: The Pope

RevDMV wrote: View Post
Tora Ziyal wrote: View Post
^Groan.
Multiple 14 hours days, I'm digging deep for any minor chuckles...
I recommend fish jokes, and lots of them.
__________________
"Pitching is simple -- cheese for the kitchen and a yakker for the kudo." - Dennis Eckersley
Mr. Laser Beam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 21 2013, 12:52 AM   #101
Tora Ziyal
Rear Admiral
 
Tora Ziyal's Avatar
 
Re: The Pope

Mr. Laser Beam wrote: View Post
RevDMV wrote: View Post
Tora Ziyal wrote: View Post
^Groan.
Multiple 14 hours days, I'm digging deep for any minor chuckles...
I recommend fish jokes, and lots of them.
Your timing codn't be better. I went out to dinner with a friend, and we both haddock fish.
Tora Ziyal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 21 2013, 02:17 AM   #102
Mr. Laser Beam
Fleet Admiral
 
Mr. Laser Beam's Avatar
 
Location: The visitor's bullpen
View Mr. Laser Beam's Twitter Profile
Re: The Pope

^ Was it salmon chanted evening?

At least you didn't spend the whole night downloading prawn from the net.
__________________
"Pitching is simple -- cheese for the kitchen and a yakker for the kudo." - Dennis Eckersley
Mr. Laser Beam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 21 2013, 06:54 AM   #103
Sector 7
Rear Admiral
 
Sector 7's Avatar
 
Location: House by the Lake, NC
Send a message via AIM to Sector 7
Re: The Pope

Nerys Ghemor wrote: View Post
Maestro wrote: View Post
Sector 7 wrote: View Post
- Paul, crucified upside down, because he felt unworthy to die the same death as Jesus Christ.
You are incorrect. Christian tradition holds that the Apostle Paul was martyred, likely by beheading. There is no documented evidence that he was crucified. The only evidence of his death that we have is in the writings of St. Ignatius, whose writings noted the death and martyrdom of Paul.
Sector 7 meant St. Peter. Peter is said to have been crucified upside down. St. Paul was beheaded as you say.
Thank you for the correction. Indeed, I was thinking of Peter and typing Paul. Such a slip, however, does not invalidate the principles of the argument... or the definition of a martyr.

Paul had much to write about the requirements of a bishop/pastor. One of the requirements is to be the husband of one wife. Priests do not meet the requirement, because the Catholic Church forbids them to marry. [1 Timothy 3:2]

Jesus himself said, "And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." [Matthew 23:9] Yet Catholic priests are titled Father so-and-so.

I have never understood these incongruities which are clearly outlined in the New Testament. That and grown men wearing dresses and being denied the option to "be fruitful and multiply" were deal-breakers to a young me. [Of course, once I finally came to terms with being gay... all bets were off anyway!]
__________________
“When all Americans are treated as equal, no matter who they are or whom they love, we are all more free.” -Pres. Obama
"A great democracy does not make it harder to vote than to buy an assault weapon." -Pres. Clinton
Sector 7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 21 2013, 06:59 AM   #104
RevDMV
Rear Admiral
 
RevDMV's Avatar
 
Location: RevDMV in the Bay Area, CA
Re: The Pope

Ok I'm hooked....
__________________
Life is good
RevDMV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 26 2013, 08:53 PM   #105
Squiggy
King of Kings
 
Squiggy's Avatar
 
Location: In flux
View Squiggy's Twitter Profile
Re: The Pope

The Pope will retain his name, assume the title "Pope Emeritus" and be styled as "His Holiness, Benedict XVI". He'll also keep the white papal garb with the exception of the cape and red shoes.
__________________
ENOUGH OF THIS TURGID BASH WANKERY!
Squiggy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:11 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.