DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

[sidious618]

Hound of UIster wrote:

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There was no time travel in RIP. You are thinking of Final Crisis and Return of Bruce Wayne.

It's all the same story. RIP led into Final Crisis which led into the Return of Bruce Wayne which led into Morrison's last arc on Batman & Robin. I mentioned RIP because we all thought Batman was going to die in it but he didn't; it ended up that he got misplaced in time right after the events.

[Admiral_Young]

As mentioned BC is not the only ones who've speculated about who Harper is going to be in the future.

RIP actually took place at the same time as Final Crisis IRRC as we discovered Bruce was trapped inside Desaad's dream machine. The whole thing was constructed to be Darkseid's ultimate trap for Bruce...and of course Bruce escaped it

[Professor Zoom]

OdoWanKenobi wrote:

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Even though we all pretty much knew it was going to happen, that's still a colossal dick move by the New York Post.

Why? The Post printed what DC gave them. DC spoiled the comic, not the Post.

[Admiral_Young]

Yeah. The same thing happens when Marvel "leaks" a story to the USA Today or whomever. This isn't a Bleeding Cool/relaunch announcement situation.

[sidious618]

Admiral_Young wrote:

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As mentioned BC is not the only ones who've speculated about who Harper is going to be in the future.

RIP actually took place at the same time as Final Crisis IRRC as we discovered Bruce was trapped inside Desaad's dream machine. The whole thing was constructed to be Darkseid's ultimate trap for Bruce..escaped of course Bruce escaped it

No, everything in RIP happened. Dr. Hurt even tells Bruce that the next time he puts on his cowl he'll die and the next time he puts it on is when he goes to investigate the death of a god. Bruce does hallucinate while he's trapped but the RIP storyline really did happen- Dr. Hurt has appeared again and again, after all. I'd be shocked if we didn't see him one last time before this is all over.

[Admiral_Young]

Either way I don't think there is going to be a cop out involving Damian.

[Mike Farley]

Gotta admit I'll miss the little guy. He does "bad boy" partner much better than Jason Todd ever did.

[Mr Light]

RIP happened. Bat #701-2 showed what happened between the end of RIP and the beginning of Final Crisis.

[Professor Zoom]

Admiral_Young wrote:

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Either way I don't think there is going to be a cop out involving Damian.

Years from now, someone will punch a wall of reality or dig him out of a Lazarus Pit.

I'm sure he'll be back. Sadly. I really do wish death was permanent in comics. But, I guess the IP is to valuable and sentiment to strong.

[Captain Craig]

Admiral_Young wrote:

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Either way I don't think there is going to be a cop out involving Damian.

That was said about Barry Allen, Hal Jordan, Jason Todd and Stephanie Brown just to name a few.

Damian will be back....if the other two "dead" Robins came back then the precedent is there that given time, given the writer and DC needing an "event" moment then Damian will return. Somehow, someway....it's comics.

[sidious618]

Considering that for much of Damien's time he was written by Morrison, I could see him not coming back our of respect to Morrison as he's a well loved writer.

[JoeZhang]

sidious618 wrote:

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Considering that for much of Damien's time he was written by Morrison, I could see him not coming back our of respect to Morrison as he's a well loved writer.

That will last as long as the current regime - DC and other corps 'respect' for writers starts and ends at the contractual level.

[sidious618]

JoeZhang wrote:

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That will last as long as the current regime - DC and other corps 'respect' for writers starts and ends at the contractual level.

Very true.

[Admiral_Young]

Maybe he will come back...I hope that is the case, but for the time being, I don't see that happening. Chris Burnham talked about hoping this was permanent as to not "cheapen" the death. I'm well aware that other characters have returned from "the dead"....especially Robins, but this is a different case though since the writer that created the character for a specific run is killing him off while he's concluding that run. Perhaps we will see him again in a few years, but I doubt it.

Also I never said RIP never happened. All I mentioned was that it took place at the same time as Final Crisis and that Bruce was trapped in the dream machine. That was also part of the plan as I mentioned in my previous post.

[Hound of UIster]

It depends on how they handle the situation. If DC has a new Robin waiting in the wings then yes he might stay dead.