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Old February 25 2013, 09:36 PM   #301
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I believe he's connected to Khan somehow...
I believe that, too, as I've posted several times. But I don't think he's from the Botany Bay.
I wonder if the Botany Bay isn't like the treasure/weapon everyone is racing to get to first in the movie?
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Old February 25 2013, 09:48 PM   #302
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I believe he's connected to Khan somehow...
I believe that, too, as I've posted several times. But I don't think he's from the Botany Bay.
I wonder if the Botany Bay isn't like the treasure/weapon everyone is racing to get to first in the movie?
In some ways, it could be. Or its crew. I've kind of thought the Botany Bay was found, who its crew is discovered, and the Federation, with no idea what to do with them, keeps them in stasis in secret London. A Guantanamo type of thing, at least until they decide what to do with them.
Harrison, whos's been studying them, "goes Marla," to the point of even enhancing himself. He believes they should be released. He also knows Starfleet's fear of that.
The line Spock has in "Space Seed" about whether or not the Federation would want it known that all those Napoleons are loose in the galaxy triggered the thought in my mind. There's also the moral issue of reviving them or keeping them in stasis given they may be criminals. Hence, Harrison's position wouldn't be totally without merit.

Of course that opinion and five bucks will get you a latte at Starbucks.
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Old February 25 2013, 09:52 PM   #303
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I believe that, too, as I've posted several times. But I don't think he's from the Botany Bay.
I wonder if the Botany Bay isn't like the treasure/weapon everyone is racing to get to first in the movie?
In some ways, it could be. Or its crew. I've kind of thought the Botany Bay was found, who its crew is discovered, and the Federation, with no idea what to do with them, keeps them in stasis in secret London. A Guantanamo type of thing, at least until they decide what to do with them.
Harrison, whos's been studying them, "goes Marla," to the point of even enhancing himself. He believes they should be released. He also knows Starfleet's fear of that.
The line Spock has in "Space Seed" about whether or not the Federation would want it known that all those Napoleons are loose in the galaxy triggered the thought in my mind. There's also the moral issue of reviving them or keeping them in stasis given they may be criminals. Hence, Harrison's position wouldn't be totally without merit.

Of course that opinion and five bucks will get you a latte at Starbucks.
It's as good of a theory as any other we have right now.
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Old February 25 2013, 09:57 PM   #304
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I wonder if the Botany Bay isn't like the treasure/weapon everyone is racing to get to first in the movie?
In some ways, it could be. Or its crew. I've kind of thought the Botany Bay was found, who its crew is discovered, and the Federation, with no idea what to do with them, keeps them in stasis in secret London. A Guantanamo type of thing, at least until they decide what to do with them.
Harrison, whos's been studying them, "goes Marla," to the point of even enhancing himself. He believes they should be released. He also knows Starfleet's fear of that.
The line Spock has in "Space Seed" about whether or not the Federation would want it known that all those Napoleons are loose in the galaxy triggered the thought in my mind. There's also the moral issue of reviving them or keeping them in stasis given they may be criminals. Hence, Harrison's position wouldn't be totally without merit.

Of course that opinion and five bucks will get you a latte at Starbucks.
It's as good of a theory as any other we have right now.
I'm cutting and pasting that post into a Word document to save, and I'll bring it back and blast it all over these boards on May 18, if I'm correct.
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Old February 25 2013, 10:00 PM   #305
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I believe that, too, as I've posted several times. But I don't think he's from the Botany Bay.
I wonder if the Botany Bay isn't like the treasure/weapon everyone is racing to get to first in the movie?
In some ways, it could be. Or its crew. I've kind of thought the Botany Bay was found, who its crew is discovered, and the Federation, with no idea what to do with them, keeps them in stasis in secret London. A Guantanamo type of thing, at least until they decide what to do with them.
Harrison, whos's been studying them, "goes Marla," to the point of even enhancing himself. He believes they should be released. He also knows Starfleet's fear of that.
The line Spock has in "Space Seed" about whether or not the Federation would want it known that all those Napoleons are loose in the galaxy triggered the thought in my mind. There's also the moral issue of reviving them or keeping them in stasis given they may be criminals. Hence, Harrison's position wouldn't be totally without merit.

Of course that opinion and five bucks will get you a latte at Starbucks.

I was thinking something similar to this, only it's not Starfleet who gets the Botany Bay, but instead it's a more aggressive faction within Starfleet that forms after the Nero-Vulcan events.
And they get the whole Khan story and location from a classified report by Spock Prime, who shared it with the Starfleet of this universe as a warning.
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Old February 25 2013, 10:21 PM   #306
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In "Space Seed", Kirk said the disapperance of the Botany Bay was never in history texts (that would mean all the way into the 23rd century). Spock responded it was probably because it was thought a war-weary people would be frightened by the prospect of all those Napoleons out and about, somewhere.

So, a cover-up. A conspiracy on Earth and in the Federation to keep the truth from the people. It's just two throwaway lines between Kirk and Spock in the "Space Seed" story, but it is a major cover-up, nonetheless.

Now, the Botany Bay appears to a Federation that just lost Vulcan. The thinking? Cover it up. Eighty Napoleons being secretly held in stasis because the Federation is afraid to do anything else. So, you think you're safe? It's just an illusion.
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Old February 25 2013, 10:35 PM   #307
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So, a cover-up. A conspiracy on Earth and in the Federation to keep the truth from the people.
Or just Earth as after the cover up the knowledge could have been lost to time. There was a nuclear war a couple of decades after Khan disappeared.
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Old February 25 2013, 11:38 PM   #308
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OK, you can put a uniform on Khan, it was done in "Space Seed", but the sideburns? How are those explained? He was given a uniform and a haircut?
If you're going to infiltrate Starfleet, the sideburns are kinda essential. I seem to recall Mr Norman, in "I, Mudd", carrying off a convincing infiltration of Kirk's crew.

And most shapechangers have no problem with sideburns.
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Old February 26 2013, 12:11 AM   #309
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I find all this talk of regulation Starfleet sideburns rather amusing considering Captain Kirk's.
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Old February 26 2013, 01:25 AM   #310
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I find all this talk of regulation Starfleet sideburns rather amusing considering Captain Kirk's.
Exactly. Pine is very early-21st century in his haircut and all. In ST09, Quinto had sideburns that looked like he had spitcurls that were formed into the shape and could be combed out to look like regular sideburns when the gel was washed out and they were combed straight.

The funny thing is how in TOS, the sideburns went from "Starfleet short" in 1966 to "Starfleet long" by season three to reflect the late-1960s style. Shatner shows it best. Even if you can't see his increased girth or different tunic, you can tell it's season three by the length of his sideburns.
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Old February 26 2013, 03:57 AM   #311
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How the hell do they get the pointed tip on the Starfleet sideburns, anyway? I found it impossible to line the razor up so I gave up.

I know, the actors probably have hairstylists to do it for them, but we're supposed to believe that everyone in Starfleet shaves in this manner so it's a legitimate enough question.

Not that it matters much, I shave my head completly bald these days anyway, but I'm still curious all the same.
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How the hell do they get the pointed tip on the Starfleet sideburns, anyway? I found it impossible to line the razor up so I gave up.

I know, the actors probably have hairstylists to do it for them, but we're supposed to believe that everyone in Starfleet shaves in this manner so it's a legitimate enough question.

Not that it matters much, I shave my head completly bald these days anyway, but I'm still curious all the same.
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How the hell do they get the pointed tip on the Starfleet sideburns, anyway? I found it impossible to line the razor up so I gave up.

I know, the actors probably have hairstylists to do it for them, but we're supposed to believe that everyone in Starfleet shaves in this manner so it's a legitimate enough question.

Not that it matters much, I shave my head completly bald these days anyway, but I'm still curious all the same.
Genetic engineering.
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How the hell do they get the pointed tip on the Starfleet sideburns, anyway? I found it impossible to line the razor up so I gave up.

I know, the actors probably have hairstylists to do it for them, but we're supposed to believe that everyone in Starfleet shaves in this manner so it's a legitimate enough question.

Not that it matters much, I shave my head completly bald these days anyway, but I'm still curious all the same.
Genetic engineering.
Is illegal in the Federation.
Controlled hair growth is such a little thing, that they look the other way.
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Old February 26 2013, 04:32 AM   #315
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Thing is, just think of all the funky hairdos we should be seeing. Maybe not for Starfleet officers, there's probably regulations, but civilians would be having a field day if they could manipulate hair growth like that.
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