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Old February 18 2013, 12:39 PM   #316
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Get well soon!

I'm currently one episode from the end of The Seeds of Death!
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Old February 18 2013, 02:24 PM   #317
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Get well soon!

I'm currently one episode from the end of The Seeds of Death!
I'm feeling so bad I've taken to watch Justice TNG S1, what were they smoking when they wrote the hippy orgy planet.
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Old February 18 2013, 02:26 PM   #318
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Mind the flower beds Wesley!!!!
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Old February 18 2013, 10:11 PM   #319
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I don’t think any of the companions acted that out of character in Four to Doomsday; Adric was always ready to side with the bad guy (see State of Decay, Snakedance…hell I’m surprised in Earthshock he didn’t say “Hmm, you know I think you Cybermen might be on to something…”) as for Tegan, this is still a very early adventure for her so the character isn’t fully formed, but hell in her place I might have made a run for the Tardis as well…and I could be mistaken (though it’s not that long since I saw it) but wasn’t part of her reasoning that she had to warn Earth?

Nyssa not having much to do…see most Fifth Doctor stories
I didn't mean that any of them were acting out of character, I haven't seen enough of Tegan or Nyssa to be able to judge that, just that they were being poorly utilized. At this point Tegan and Adric are annoying me and I'm just nitpicking.
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Old February 19 2013, 05:30 AM   #320
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I didn't mean that any of them were acting out of character, I haven't seen enough of Tegan or Nyssa to be able to judge that, just that they were being poorly utilized.
In Nyssa's case, that's partly because Four to Doomsday was written for two companions before they decided to keep Nyssa on halfway through rehearsals on The Keeper of Traken.
If you bear that in mind while watching it, you can spot the moments when Tegan suddenly decides to stand quietly in the background, as she was about to say something technical, so that means Nyssa can nick her lines... and the moment a few minutes later when Nyssa suddenly shuts up, so Tegan can take over again for the shouty bits.
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Old February 19 2013, 10:17 AM   #321
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I like the idea of Tegan taking over for the shouty bits.


Lowdarzz, sorry I get what you mean now. The under-utilisation of one of the three companions is a bit of a reccuring theme in the 5th Doctor's stint (when there are three companions of course).

It's weird but I hated Adric for a long time, but recently I've reappraised him. He's annoying, but I don't hate him, and at times he's quite interesting because he can be very amoral. In some respects he's a sort of proto-Turlough. Although where Turlough sides with bad guys out of fear, Adric almost seems to do it out of logic.
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Old February 19 2013, 05:05 PM   #322
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I like the idea of Tegan taking over for the shouty bits.
The sad thing about the Four to Doomsday line-splitting s that it had a lasting, and arguably negative, effect on both characters, as it pushed them to extremes, and later writers picked up on that. Tegan became more aggressive than she would have been, and that got latched onto, and Nyssa became more passive and meek than she had been in Kepper of Traken.

I mean, just look at what Nyssa does in Traken, largely off her own bat:
She sneaks Adric into a crime scene that's been sealed off by the local police by a) telling the policeman that as her father is a consul, the law is whatever he says it is, and hence she's above it; and b) bribing him.
Then when her daddy's arrested, she sets out to mount a jailbreak. After finding that tactics a) and b) no longer work, she tries c) she guns the copper down with a workbench tool.
And finally, on learning that the Doctor's told Adric how to build a device that will destroy the age-old basis of her entire civilisation, she tells Adric to get on with building it, and then installs and uses it!!!
Now just imagine how all that would seem if she was from modern Earth: "Senator's Daughter BRIBED POLICE! Attacked Officers! Sabotaged Nuke Station!!! Shock Horror!!!!. Oh, hold on, I've just spoiled season three of Homeland. Sorry.
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Old February 19 2013, 07:42 PM   #323
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Attack of the Cybermen. All I could concentrate on through my cold symptoms was Peri's pink outfit.

Good to see Terry Molloy get a non masked part.

It was interesting to hear the desire from the original cast to remake some of their old stories using the current production team. Well RTDs team it would have been when the commentary was recorded.
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Old February 20 2013, 07:48 PM   #324
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The Keys Of Marinus- A bit of a slog. The first episode is largely superfluous, taking 25 minutes to do a 2-minute job. The second, with the brains of Morphoton, is a good idea, but very ineptly directed, as is the third episode (the Screaming Jungle). The fourth, with wannabe rapist Vasor is surprisingly gritty but still badly made. The last couple of episodes, with the murder/trial in the city of Millennius, is on much safer ground for Terry nation, as he wrote for every cop show in the 60s and 70s, but again the direction is utterly inept. The design and effects have some moments of inspiration, but mostly it's flat wall panels and wobblevision.

So, a weird mixture between the overambitious that therefore fails, and the merely filling the timeslot with the quickest rubbish possible until a decent story comes along in the form of The Aztecs...
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Old February 23 2013, 04:16 AM   #325
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Kinda (Fifth Doctor).

This seems a very different type of story than I what I've been seeing in Doctor Who lately. Concepts of evil being something that is generated at the back of people's minds, reincarnation, mystical forms of healing. It makes for a good story and I'm glad that all of the characters with speaking parts had something to do. Well except for Nyssa, who decided to dissapear for most of the serial. I read that the serial had been written with only two companions in mind so rather than rewrite it, they just had Nyssa go to sleep for several days.

The only scene that didn't really make sense was the vision that Panna decided to give to the Doctor and Todd. The image of the clocks counting down and the Trickster falling to the ground and acting as though he were in pain was not well explained. Either that or I wasn't paying close enough attention.

Kudos to Simon Rouse for his performance as Hindle. The character's decent into madness was well realized.

Black Orchid (Fifth Doctor).

This is the first purely historical Doctor Who I've seen since The Gunfighters during the Hartnell era. Well I suppose you could call The Gunfighters a historical despite that blasted song. I'm actually a fan of Doctor Who's attempts at historical fiction. It makes for a nice change of pace when aliens are not the cause of whatever trouble is happening in the past. The Romans is my particular favorite though The Aztecs is good as well.

Black Orchid however comes across more like a bad Agatha Christie novel. That's not to say the story itself was bad, it was just poorly written. There is no explaination for why Nyssa and Ann look alike. Tegan and Adric however are given nothing to do. They both dance at the party then Adric spends much of the serial eating.

The audience is also given no reason as to why Lady Cranleigh decided to have George imprisoned in the attic. Perhaps it would have helped if the story was four parts instead of two but I'm not sure.
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Old February 25 2013, 12:36 PM   #326
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No I think what charm Black Orchid has comes from being brief. I quite like it, but it is quite lightweight fare. I don't know why Who doesn't do more purely historical stories. You can have very interesting villains without there needing to be an alien threat in every. single. episode!

Kinda's great, aside from Nyssa's nap...

Interestingly I just finished watching The Visitation (which sits between Kinda and Black Orchid) which I always enjoy, nice setting, all the regulars get something to do. Even if Nyssa is confined to the Tardis for long periods she is at least doing something not just sleeping (Kinda) or waiting (Earthshock) plus it has Richard Mace, who really must count as one of the best companions we never had
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Old February 25 2013, 05:45 PM   #327
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I've been watching an episode a day for several years now. I started with "An Unearthly Child" and as of last night I finished "Full Circle."

The funny thing is, although I didn't plan it this way, I'll end up being on Peter Davison in May, Colin Baker in June, Sylvester McCoy in July and Paul McGann in August, during each one's celebratory anniversary month! I guess that's one advantage to Doctors 6-8 all having such short runs...
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Old February 25 2013, 05:47 PM   #328
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Whatever the last S McCoy episode that aired was, that was the last classic Who episode I watched.
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Old February 25 2013, 06:04 PM   #329
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No I think what charm Black Orchid has comes from being brief. I quite like it, but it is quite lightweight fare. I don't know why Who doesn't do more purely historical stories. You can have very interesting villains without there needing to be an alien threat in every. single. episode!

Kinda's great, aside from Nyssa's nap...

Interestingly I just finished watching The Visitation (which sits between Kinda and Black Orchid) which I always enjoy, nice setting, all the regulars get something to do. Even if Nyssa is confined to the Tardis for long periods she is at least doing something not just sleeping (Kinda) or waiting (Earthshock) plus it has Richard Mace, who really must count as one of the best companions we never had
I can see why people like Black Orchid, it's a nice short break between the bigger stories around it, but objectively it fails completely as a piece of drama. It also has the terrible - show the policemen the Tardis so they will let me off a murder charge scene - which is particularly objectionable as it doesn't make any difference anyway and is part of that annoying early 80's trend of anyone being allowed to wander into the Tardis.

I would love to have some pure historicals - they 60's ones are some of the greatest ever Who stories.

I love the Visitation though - looking forward to the special edition - the commentary is one of the best of the range as well
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Old February 25 2013, 10:59 PM   #330
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Tomb of the Cybermen, I have seen it many times but I still love watching it.

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