Should Jadzia have died in Change Of Heart?

JirinPanthosa · February 24 2013, 12:28 AM

Would it have been better to have that later in the season and have her die because Worf decided to get the Cardassian operative?

That would have been a less random throwaway way for her to die, more dramatically interesting, and more in character for Worf.

HaventGotALife · February 24 2013, 12:39 AM

I would've liked it if Worf loses them both because of his indecisiveness. That's the dark Trek showing that Worf walks a tightrope and sometimes it doesn't work out for him.

EnterpriseClass · February 24 2013, 01:05 AM

Yes that would have been so much better than the "Tasha Yar death part 2" that poor Jadzia got.

dub · February 24 2013, 02:02 AM

If we're playing this from the standpoint of knowing she had to leave the show and killing her off is the only option, then I think it would have been beautiful for her to die in "Change of Heart." I loved the scenes with her and Worf. I know that's too early and it's not really part of the story that unfolds toward the end of the season, but I was even thinking as I watched it...if she dies, this is going to be heart-wrenching.

StarMan · February 24 2013, 02:36 AM

That's one episode I haven't re-watched in years (will remedy that this afternoon). But from what I remember, yes. Her death in the finale was a contrived and crappy way for the character to go out.

heavy lids · February 24 2013, 03:28 AM

Yes.

Seven of Five · February 24 2013, 11:12 AM

Hell yes.

I found it weird where she had two near-death experiences that season (the one in Rocks and Shoals maybe not being as bad as the one in Change of Heart), but then the writers decide that they are actually going to kill her off.

So, the idea is repetitive by the time it happens in Tears of the Prophets, and of course it's a total botch. The should have either just reassigned her, or if death was the only option, then they could have killed her in a Dominion attack.

HaventGotALife · February 24 2013, 09:59 PM

Seven of Five wrote:

Hell yes.

I found it weird where she had two near-death experiences that season (the one in Rocks and Shoals maybe not being as bad as the one in Change of Heart), but then the writers decide that they are actually going to kill her off.

So, the idea is repetitive by the time it happens in Tears of the Prophets, and of course it's a total botch. The should have either just reassigned her, or if death was the only option, then they could have killed her in a Dominion attack.

I wish she had died in battle. So it's brought home that these aren't little ships in space. Each one we could do a series around, the bonds of the senior officers, etc. Bring the war home and kill her in battle, not by the hands of the Pah'Wraiths. Preferably in hand-to-hand combat, someone snaps her neck or slits her throat. Something horrific. And they spent the entire 6th season making her a big part of the action in order for us to feel losing her.

USS Intrepid · February 24 2013, 10:20 PM

Absolutely, and would have been a much better exit for the character.

DalekJim · February 24 2013, 10:26 PM

Jadzia's death in that episode was but a bruise compared to how much it murdered Dukat's character arc.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Dukat should have died in Waltz and Jadzia should have died in Change of Heart.

heavy lids · February 24 2013, 10:53 PM

DalekJim wrote:

Dukat should have died in Waltz and Jadzia should have died in Change of Heart.

Hell yes.

Takeru · February 25 2013, 12:46 AM

No, I like that Worf said screw it, ignored the mission and saved his wife, it was selfish and not something I expected to happen. She should have had a better death though, I hated how they offed her in the finale, it was so random, she walks into the temple where Dukat just happens to unleash his Pah Wraith superpowers.

teacake · February 25 2013, 03:44 AM

And as he finally got back to her the beating heart sound would have stopped..

timtonruben359 · February 26 2013, 03:46 AM

I think it would have been better if Jadzia had died in Change of Heart too. I think I remember Ron D. Moore saying that when the wrote the show they were still in contract negotiations with Terry Farrell and they weren't sure if she wasn't coming back or not.

SwimmingGnu · February 26 2013, 05:30 PM

Takeru wrote:

No, I like that Worf said screw it, ignored the mission and saved his wife, it was selfish and not something I expected to happen. She should have had a better death though, I hated how they offed her in the finale, it was so random, she walks into the temple where Dukat just happens to unleash his Pah Wraith superpowers.

Agreed, she deserved a more honorable death.

February 24 2013, 12:28 AM	#1
JirinPanthosa Captain	Should Jadzia have died in Change Of Heart? Would it have been better to have that later in the season and have her die because Worf decided to get the Cardassian operative? That would have been a less random throwaway way for her to die, more dramatically interesting, and more in character for Worf.

February 24 2013, 12:39 AM	#2
HaventGotALife Captain Location: Michigan	Re: Should Jadzia have died in Change Of Heart? I would've liked it if Worf loses them both because of his indecisiveness. That's the dark Trek showing that Worf walks a tightrope and sometimes it doesn't work out for him. __________________ To me, Star Trek's stories are about the depth and complexity of human relationships. It studies us and asks us to look within ourselves, to relate, to ask how would we respond to all that is in their world?

February 24 2013, 01:05 AM	#3
EnterpriseClass Ensign	Re: Should Jadzia have died in Change Of Heart? Yes that would have been so much better than the "Tasha Yar death part 2" that poor Jadzia got.

February 24 2013, 02:02 AM	#4
dub Lieutenant Commander Location: Location? What is this?	Re: Should Jadzia have died in Change Of Heart? If we're playing this from the standpoint of knowing she had to leave the show and killing her off is the only option, then I think it would have been beautiful for her to die in "Change of Heart." I loved the scenes with her and Worf. I know that's too early and it's not really part of the story that unfolds toward the end of the season, but I was even thinking as I watched it...if she dies, this is going to be heart-wrenching.

February 24 2013, 02:36 AM	#5
StarMan Vice Admiral Location: New Zealand.	Re: Should Jadzia have died in Change Of Heart? That's one episode I haven't re-watched in years (will remedy that this afternoon). But from what I remember, yes. Her death in the finale was a contrived and crappy way for the character to go out. __________________ So... Shall we begin?

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February 24 2013, 03:28 AM	#6
heavy lids Lieutenant Commander Location: Denver	Re: Should Jadzia have died in Change Of Heart? Yes. __________________ "Divine intervention is...unlikely" - The Doctor

February 24 2013, 11:12 AM	#7
Seven of Five Commodore Location: Staffordshire, United Kingdom	Re: Should Jadzia have died in Change Of Heart? Hell yes. I found it weird where she had two near-death experiences that season (the one in Rocks and Shoals maybe not being as bad as the one in Change of Heart), but then the writers decide that they are actually going to kill her off. So, the idea is repetitive by the time it happens in Tears of the Prophets, and of course it's a total botch. The should have either just reassigned her, or if death was the only option, then they could have killed her in a Dominion attack. __________________ I love how coffee makes me feel. It's like my heart is trying to hug my brain!

February 24 2013, 10:20 PM	#9
USS Intrepid Commodore Location: Dundee, Scotland, UK	Re: Should Jadzia have died in Change Of Heart? Absolutely, and would have been a much better exit for the character. __________________ Star Trek: Intrepid

February 24 2013, 10:26 PM	#10
DalekJim Fleet Captain Location: Great Britain	Re: Should Jadzia have died in Change Of Heart? Jadzia's death in that episode was but a bruise compared to how much it murdered Dukat's character arc. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Dukat should have died in Waltz and Jadzia should have died in Change of Heart. __________________ The Paradox Machine - My blog "Four things cannot be hidden - love, smoke, a pillar of fire and a man striding across the open bled." - Dune Messiah by Frank Herbert

February 25 2013, 12:46 AM	#12
Takeru Captain	Re: Should Jadzia have died in Change Of Heart? No, I like that Worf said screw it, ignored the mission and saved his wife, it was selfish and not something I expected to happen. She should have had a better death though, I hated how they offed her in the finale, it was so random, she walks into the temple where Dukat just happens to unleash his Pah Wraith superpowers.

February 25 2013, 03:44 AM	#13
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Should Jadzia have died in Change Of Heart? And as he finally got back to her the beating heart sound would have stopped.. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

February 26 2013, 03:46 AM	#14
timtonruben359 Lieutenant Junior Grade	Re: Should Jadzia have died in Change Of Heart? I think it would have been better if Jadzia had died in Change of Heart too. I think I remember Ron D. Moore saying that when the wrote the show they were still in contract negotiations with Terry Farrell and they weren't sure if she wasn't coming back or not.