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Old February 23 2013, 06:40 PM   #121
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People are seriously concerned that Alba didn't look like Chris Evans's sister?
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Old February 23 2013, 08:30 PM   #122
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Well, maybe I'm being too resistant to change. I liked the prosthetic Thing in the previous movies because CGI at the time was not up to portraying a basically human character as realistically, especially if you wanted that character to deliver dialogue and convey a subtle performance effectively. But in the wake of Avatar and Rise of the Planet of the Apes, I suppose that's no longer the case, if the animation is done well enough.
I'd say the Hulk in Avengers demonstrated that a mocap CGI version would/could be for the best.

Especially if you get James Gandolfini to do the voice.....
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Old February 23 2013, 08:49 PM   #123
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The visual realization of the 4 wasn't a problem with the two films. I thought all four of them looked fine, both in terms of FX and casting. There were other issues that mattered far more, starting with the scripts.
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Old February 23 2013, 11:02 PM   #124
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Well, maybe I'm being too resistant to change. I liked the prosthetic Thing in the previous movies because CGI at the time was not up to portraying a basically human character as realistically, especially if you wanted that character to deliver dialogue and convey a subtle performance effectively. But in the wake of Avatar and Rise of the Planet of the Apes, I suppose that's no longer the case, if the animation is done well enough.
I'd say the Hulk in Avengers demonstrated that a mocap CGI version would/could be for the best.

Especially if you get James Gandolfini to do the voice.....
And then wouldn't people complain that there is an Italian American accent?

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Old February 24 2013, 12:51 AM   #125
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I always heard it more as a New York/New Jersey accent. it's basically the voice I always 'heard' in my head when I read the Thing's dialogue.

I thought all four of them looked fine, both in terms of FX and casting
Putting aside the horrible makeup job they gave Alba to try and make her look blonde and Waspy (they would've been better off just letting her be a brunette) there's the fact that the girl can't act to save her life. The guy playing Reed wasn't much of an actor either.
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Old February 24 2013, 01:01 AM   #126
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^ Reed was my least favorite of the 4 in the films, but Alba was fine.
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Old February 24 2013, 01:10 AM   #127
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I always heard it more as a New York/New Jersey accent. it's basically the voice I always 'heard' in my head when I read the Thing's dialogue.
I should have a blue collar jewish New York accent. His background is quite specific, I think, even down to Kirby and Lee fictionalizing a real world neighborhood that they were familiar with IIRC.
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Old February 24 2013, 01:51 AM   #128
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It's called "acting." We're really getting to the point where the Thing has to be played by an actual blue collar Jew from a particular neighborhood in New York City?
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Old February 24 2013, 02:18 AM   #129
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It's called "acting." We're really getting to the point where the Thing has to be played by an actual blue collar Jew from a particular neighborhood in New York City?
No, but I don't think I have ever heard Gandolfini change his Jersey accent. And I was also trying to sarcastically comment on all these people who say Alba didn't "look" the part.
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Old February 24 2013, 02:20 AM   #130
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Well frankly the idea that the FF were the "only" super heroes around or the X-Men as the only super powered beings around always struck me as somewhat odd in that they all came from the same "universe". I can understand the whole "well you can't mention Iron Man in a Fox movie" and I can take it to a point. Sure, they don't have the rights to the character, BUT that doesn't mean you can't name drop or casually mention that "Oh and Stark's been working on some exo-armor concepts and needs my input I'll be home before dinner Sue darling"

It's a name - big deal.

My dream FF movie would have it actually pick up with them an already established Super Hero team. Sort of like how Rise of the Silver Surfer started out - people knew them, they have their tower and basically we don't need to rehash the origin. Maybe tell it in cartoon/comic style in the beginning during the credits and leave it at that.

And I would actually not entirely dismiss the original two movies - hell what I'd find funny as anything would be Johnny and Ben watching Silver Surfer and going "Oh geez Ben could they make you look any stupider and c'mon that's NOT what Galactus looks like? What? You think people couldn't take a guy taller than Four Freedoms tower in purple and pink body armor?"

"Well at least they picked that hottie to play our Suzie Q."

"Dude, not cool. I can't even watch her anymore without seeing... shudder... my sister."

So that way you don't entirely have to find a new way to 'reboot' the story, just say that the original two were movies loosely based on the real thing. Which would totally be a very Fantastic Four thing to see.

Now as for casting, that's the tricky part - honestly I really did like Chicklis as The Thing and Chris Evans did a pretty decent Torch - buuut they need someone a bit more in the vain, funny and teen demo look for the nuTorch. Although I'd like to see someone who's maybe not well known but still not a total newcomer. So my pick for a new Johnny Storm would be Hunter Parrish from Weeds - he's blonde, can be serious but I think if he was given the direction to be more 'Johnny Storm' I think he could pull it off. He's worked around enough comedians and while he's never really done any stunt work - that's not the worst thing really.

Invisible Woman would be a bit tricky - a natural blonde would be preferable. Someone who's got a bit of an athletic build - which is probably why Alba was picked, she's got a decent body, and when she was on Dark Angel, she was used to stunt work and hey she's gotta look decent in a skin hugging bodysuit. But I think they need to be more selective in picking actors and actresses that actually LOOK like siblings. My dream Sue Storm would have been - if it was a few years back - Jeri Ryan. (Although I still think she'd make an awesome Ms. Marvel) but I think of the actresses out there today - Laura Vandervoot - could make an interesting late 20s Sue - she's like 28 so by the time filming wraps up she'd be close to 30 - which'd be decent enough. But at least she's got experience with super hero shows (Being Supergirl in Smallville) and she's got a decent enough build to wear an FF uniform

Now Reed would be a bit tough since you need someone who's older than Sue and Johnny, similar age to Ben - but also can pull off the genius role without looking like a total nerd. Honestly I'd love to see someone take what we had in the "old" Reed from the previous Fox movies - but with a stronger actor.
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Old February 24 2013, 03:30 AM   #131
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It's called "acting." We're really getting to the point where the Thing has to be played by an actual blue collar Jew from a particular neighborhood in New York City?
....I was also trying to sarcastically comment on all these people who say Alba didn't "look" the part.
Ah, fair enough.
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Old February 24 2013, 03:45 AM   #132
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Well frankly the idea that the FF were the "only" super heroes around or the X-Men as the only super powered beings around always struck me as somewhat odd in that they all came from the same "universe". I can understand the whole "well you can't mention Iron Man in a Fox movie" and I can take it to a point. Sure, they don't have the rights to the character, BUT that doesn't mean you can't name drop or casually mention that "Oh and Stark's been working on some exo-armor concepts and needs my input I'll be home before dinner Sue darling"

It's a name - big deal.
Well, to Marvel it is. I'm pretty sure in situations like this you can't even mention a character without having some kind of a license to use them.
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Old February 24 2013, 03:52 AM   #133
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I would think that something as simple as a name drop would be a pretty easy thing for the studio's legal departments to figure out. Remember that we almost got the Stark Tower/Oscorp Tower crossover in The Avengers and Amazing Spider-Man. In fact, I would love to see Joss Whedon and Mark Millar sit down for lunch and toss potential cross studio Marvel easter eggs at each other.
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Old February 24 2013, 03:53 AM   #134
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Well frankly the idea that the FF were the "only" super heroes around or the X-Men as the only super powered beings around always struck me as somewhat odd in that they all came from the same "universe". I can understand the whole "well you can't mention Iron Man in a Fox movie" and I can take it to a point. Sure, they don't have the rights to the character, BUT that doesn't mean you can't name drop or casually mention that "Oh and Stark's been working on some exo-armor concepts and needs my input I'll be home before dinner Sue darling"

It's a name - big deal.
To us, it's a name. To the corporations and their lawyers, it's intellectual property, and it can't be used without a license. Maybe they could tiptoe around it with oblique references, but once they throw in the actual name "Stark" or "Tony" in a context that's clearly about a businessman/inventor who works with high-tech armor, then it's infringement. There are very specific rules about using actual character names.

Still, it would be possible for the studios to work together and arrange for such cross-references. As I've mentioned before, there was an agreement reached to include The Amazing Spider-Man's OsCorp Tower into the digital Manhattan of The Avengers, but it fell through for scheduling reasons. So yeah, it could be done, but it would have to be coordinated between the respective licensees. You couldn't just sneak it under the radar.


My dream FF movie would have it actually pick up with them an already established Super Hero team. Sort of like how Rise of the Silver Surfer started out - people knew them, they have their tower and basically we don't need to rehash the origin. Maybe tell it in cartoon/comic style in the beginning during the credits and leave it at that.
The origin-montage opening worked very well in The Incredible Hulk. That could work. Except, of course, the FF aren't just superheroes; they're primarily explorers and adventurers, and Reed is constantly producing new inventions and discoveries with world-changing potential. That's something I'd like to see a movie get right -- a portrayal of the FF as a scientist/adventurer family that includes superheroics and world-saving as part of its routine, rather than just as superheroes. That's what makes them distinctive, and it would be worth seeing onscreen.
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My dream FF movie would have the Inhumans and The Watcher.
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