Would TMP have been better had they used the TOS uniforms? - Page 4

SchwEnt · February 21 2013, 05:22 PM

CorporalClegg wrote:

The fact of the matter, TMP is one of only two Trek films to be made by a proper filmmaker. The other being, ST09, of course.

Are you referring to director as the "proper filmmaker"?
I'd think Nick Meyer would qualify. Maybe even Nimoy, who has much experience beyond his acting career.

I'm not saying who's good or bad, but I'd say Meyer deserves a "proper filmmaker" credit in addition to Wise and Abrams.

CorporalCaptain · February 21 2013, 05:40 PM

Look, I enjoyed Time After Time as much as the next guy, but as a director Nicholas Meyer wasn't/isn't in the same league as Robert Wise.

J.T.B. · February 21 2013, 05:42 PM

SchwEnt wrote:

I'm not saying who's good or bad, but I'd say Meyer deserves a "proper filmmaker" credit in addition to Wise and Abrams.

Yeah, I don't know what a "proper filmmaker" is, but I wouldn't put Meyer's or Abrams's output (yet) up there with Blood on the Moon, The Day the Earth Stood Still, Run Silent Run Deep, West Side Story, The Haunting, The Sound of Music, The Sand Pebbles, The Andromeda Strain etc.

Sindatur · February 21 2013, 05:59 PM

CaptainMurdock wrote:

I think one thing we can agree on for TMP that was bad was the bland pajama uniforms that showed off everyone's junk.

Was it everyone's, or just Captain Pec... er, I mean... Decker?

dub · February 21 2013, 09:00 PM

Sindatur wrote:

CaptainMurdock wrote:

I think one thing we can agree on for TMP that was bad was the bland pajama uniforms that showed off everyone's junk.

Was it everyone's, or just Captain Pec... er, I mean... Decker?

HaventGotALife · February 21 2013, 09:51 PM

Ascetically, I think it would've been a good move. I don't think that it would fix the problems with pace and acting that bother that movie.

CorporalClegg · February 21 2013, 10:41 PM

J.T.B. wrote:

SchwEnt wrote:

I'm not saying who's good or bad, but I'd say Meyer deserves a "proper filmmaker" credit in addition to Wise and Abrams.

Yeah, I don't know what a "proper filmmaker" is, but I wouldn't put Meyer's or Abrams's output (yet) up there with Blood on the Moon, The Day the Earth Stood Still, Run Silent Run Deep, West Side Story, The Haunting, The Sound of Music, The Sand Pebbles, The Andromeda Strain etc.

Bodies of work say a lot.

Lots of people can draw, but there are only a few of them whose work one might call "art" hand hang on a wall.

There's a reason why Wise was offered so many great films. There's a reason Abrams is offered so many great films now. There's also a reason Meyer was give an couple of minor changes and then never heard from again. Likewise for Baird, Carson, Nimoy, Frakes and of course Shatner.

SchwEnt · February 22 2013, 01:37 AM

Oh. As I wrote, not disputing who is good or bad or better. Surely Meyer and Wise are not equals, and all that.

Beyond comparing one to another,
I'd just say that--strictly on his own merits--Nick Meyer qualifies as a "proper filmmaker". Why wouldn't he? Is he some rank amateur hack?

Is he great, a cinematic genius? I'm not saying that. But I'd think he deserves at least to be called a proper filmmaker. And I'd give that to Nimoy, too.

I don't think one need be a stellar cinematic legend to earn the title of "proper filmmaker".

plynch · February 22 2013, 03:55 AM

All TMP needed was a proper budget for some good CGI Rock Monsters at the end . . . oh wait . . . wrong motion picture

Frontier · February 22 2013, 06:09 AM

I see superficial changes like uniforms and FX in terms of TMP or TFF as akin to putting a dog in a tuxedo. You know? It's still going to eat it's own vomit and piss on the carpet even if in classy dress.

Ronald Held · February 22 2013, 08:32 PM

Older or Phase II unifoms would look better but not help the plot at all.

Galileo7 · February 23 2013, 01:58 AM

TOS uniforms would have worked in TMP. J.J. Abrams proved that in the 2009 film.

Pauln6 · February 23 2013, 09:41 AM

I rather like TMP. I don't have a problem with the uniforms and the depiction of the ship is my favourite from all the shows and movies but I agree that putting the actors in TwoK uniforms or TOS uniforms would not have changed the movie much. I would prefer the increased pace of the Directors Cut plus any additional character scenes from the Special Longer Version. I do like how science fiction Spock's trip was but I think it would also have helped if a landing party, featuring more than just Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, had taken a trip inside V'Ger to give us some action and interaction off the bridge - maybe pursuing Decker and Ilia would have worked?

Carcazoid · February 23 2013, 12:30 PM

The only thing that would have made TMP better is if Shatner had worn the "Jim" rug instead of the "Proto-TJ Curly".

CaptainMurdock · February 23 2013, 06:27 PM

Carcazoid wrote:

The only thing that would have made TMP better is if Shatner had worn the "Jim" rug instead of the "Proto-TJ Curly".

That looks awesome! I'm going to take some screencaps tonight and make my own photo manipulations.

February 21 2013, 05:40 PM	#47
CorporalCaptain Vice Admiral Location: In pre-production	Re: Would TMP have been better had they used the TOS uniforms? Look, I enjoyed Time After Time as much as the next guy, but as a director Nicholas Meyer wasn't/isn't in the same league as Robert Wise. __________________ John

February 21 2013, 09:51 PM	#51
HaventGotALife Captain	Re: Would TMP have been better had they used the TOS uniforms? Ascetically, I think it would've been a good move. I don't think that it would fix the problems with pace and acting that bother that movie.

February 22 2013, 01:37 AM	#53
SchwEnt Fleet Captain	Re: Would TMP have been better had they used the TOS uniforms? Oh. As I wrote, not disputing who is good or bad or better. Surely Meyer and Wise are not equals, and all that. Beyond comparing one to another, I'd just say that--strictly on his own merits--Nick Meyer qualifies as a "proper filmmaker". Why wouldn't he? Is he some rank amateur hack? Is he great, a cinematic genius? I'm not saying that. But I'd think he deserves at least to be called a proper filmmaker. And I'd give that to Nimoy, too. I don't think one need be a stellar cinematic legend to earn the title of "proper filmmaker".

February 22 2013, 03:55 AM	#54
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February 22 2013, 06:09 AM	#55
Frontier Vice Admiral Location: Fifth Circle of Hell, IE: Pennsylvania	Re: Would TMP have been better had they used the TOS uniforms? I see superficial changes like uniforms and FX in terms of TMP or TFF as akin to putting a dog in a tuxedo. You know? It's still going to eat it's own vomit and piss on the carpet even if in classy dress. __________________ Me on Tumblr Me on Twitter

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February 22 2013, 08:32 PM	#56
Ronald Held Rear Admiral Location: On the USS Sovereign	Re: Would TMP have been better had they used the TOS uniforms? Older or Phase II unifoms would look better but not help the plot at all.

February 23 2013, 01:58 AM	#57
Galileo7 Captain Location: U.S.A.	Re: Would TMP have been better had they used the TOS uniforms? TOS uniforms would have worked in TMP. J.J. Abrams proved that in the 2009 film.

February 23 2013, 09:41 AM	#58
Pauln6 Commodore Location: Bristol, United Kingdom	Re: Would TMP have been better had they used the TOS uniforms? I rather like TMP. I don't have a problem with the uniforms and the depiction of the ship is my favourite from all the shows and movies but I agree that putting the actors in TwoK uniforms or TOS uniforms would not have changed the movie much. I would prefer the increased pace of the Directors Cut plus any additional character scenes from the Special Longer Version. I do like how science fiction Spock's trip was but I think it would also have helped if a landing party, featuring more than just Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, had taken a trip inside V'Ger to give us some action and interaction off the bridge - maybe pursuing Decker and Ilia would have worked? __________________ Star Trek/Babylon 5/Alien crossover www.youtube.com/user/pauln6 Other Worlds Role Playing Game http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/produc...ducts_id=97631

February 23 2013, 12:30 PM	#59
Carcazoid Captain Location: Planet Carcazed	Re: Would TMP have been better had they used the TOS uniforms? The only thing that would have made TMP better is if Shatner had worn the "Jim" rug instead of the "Proto-TJ Curly". __________________ =Carcazoid=