Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion

[Ketrick]

BillJ wrote:

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Which means not at all.

Without being too serious about a fictional universe, I have to say: No, it means just what it says unless Mr. Orci is being facetious.

[JD]

King Daniel wrote:

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Maybe.

But with this and the reported new Gorn backstory in the videogame...

They're conquerors from another galaxy who reach ours via wormhole.

I know when I read about that on either Trekmovie or one of the other sci-fi sites they said that came from a source that doesn't usually report on Trek or sci-fi, so there might be reason to question the accuracy of that.

[ChristopherPike]

Not sure there's a need for the Gorn to be from another galaxy. I guess it depends when they're supposed to have arrived... If they only just did, that's harder to hammer back into continuity.

"Bound" established during Enterprise's 22nd Century, that their hegemony was known about by the Orion Syndicate - a member of whom poured Archer a drink they had created, warning the less he knew about them the better.

[Caretaker]

Okay, just read the digital version of the issue two. Not to bad - based on the leaked plot summary of STID, I think I am now seeing where this is going (and it's beginning to feel a lot more like the movie prequel ala the earlier Countdown that I had been expecting). Enjoyable.

Also, ignore my earlier theorizing about April's Enterprise - I had based those only on the five page preview.

[Saul]

SalvorHardin wrote:

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Here you go

Thanks very much. Was expecting to see something more like the TOS Enterprise. Oh well.

[ATimson]

Saul wrote:

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Thanks very much. Was expecting to see something more like the TOS Enterprise. Oh well.

The bridge design was, even if the exterior wasn't...

Speculation: assuming that the Constellation isn't actually a Constitution-class (is there anything in the canon to require this, or is it simply an assumption based on reusing the model kit/sets?), I wonder if April's Enterprise was a member of the JJ-verse version of that class.

[Sho]

I actually really like that design's much more slender nacelles. Wish the current movie Enterprise looked more like that.

[Markonian]

I wonder how the article about this ship is going to be called on Memory Beta?

[The Wormhole]

ATimson wrote:

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The bridge design was, even if the exterior wasn't...

Speculation: assuming that the Constellation isn't actually a Constitution-class (is there anything in the canon to require this, or is it simply an assumption based on reusing the model kit/sets?), I wonder if April's Enterprise was a member of the JJ-verse version of that class.

My understanding that the intent always was for the Constellation to be a Constitution class, meaning they would have even if they were capable of building another model or sets. Mainly for dramatic reason, this ship is basically the exact same as the Enterprise and it got torn to shreds by whatever this titular Doomsday Machine is.

Maybe that's not a canon reason requiring it to be a Constitution, but to assume it's not kind of guts The Doomsday Machine of its drama.

[ATimson]

The Wormhole wrote:

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Mainly for dramatic reason, this ship is basically the exact same as the Enterprise and it got torn to shreds by whatever this titular Doomsday Machine is.

Maybe that's not a canon reason requiring it to be a Constitution, but to assume it's not kind of guts The Doomsday Machine of its drama.

That's certainly true from a emotional and dramatic point of view... I hadn't thought about it that way before.

[Ronald Held]

I have believed that the jjverse was a separate universe before the excursions of Nero and Spock. This seem to evidencecthat it is the caze, coming from Orci.

[Markonian]

Sorry, what is the problem with the Constellation? The low registry? I assumed there was a USS Constellation (NCC-1017) of whatever class. The Constitution-class successor inherited both name and registry (the "-A" idea not yet in practise).

When is Issue 3 coming out?

[SalvorHardin]

Markonian wrote:

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When is Issue 3 coming out?

March 13

[ryan123450]

Ronald Held wrote:

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I have believed that the jjverse was a separate universe before the excursions of Nero and Spock. This seem to evidencecthat it is the caze, coming from Orci.

It seems to me that the current regime doesn't really have a hard and fast opinion or even understanding of the subject. When they wanted to make hardcore fanboys cool with the idea of changing the timeline (an idea necessitated by including Old Spock in a new 'reboot'), they said that it was a new timeline branching off from, but not destroying, the original.

Now they want the creative freedom to dump all the baggage of the old continuity, and so they ignore any requirements imposed on them by it pre-2233.

Since the evidence from the tie-ins continues to support the idea of a total reboot, and only one piece of evidence from the original film points to the pre-incursion timeline being the original Trek timeline (namely the casting of Leonard Nimoy), I'll go with all the other evidence that hints to the fact that this is a total reboot. I don't have a problem with that, I just wish we could acknowledge it and move on.

[King Daniel Into Darkness]

Ronald Held wrote:

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I have believed that the jjverse was a separate universe before the excursions of Nero and Spock. This seem to evidencecthat it is the caze, coming from Orci.

From Trekmovie.com, shortly after the release of the 2009 movie:

GaryS: Was the timeline that Nero visited the original past up to the point that George Kirk is killed? Or was it always an alternate timeline because Nero was destined to travel there?

BobOrci: We think of it is as identical to the original until Nero arrives.

http://trekmovie.com/2009/05/22/orci...kmovie-fan-qa/


It's possible they've changed their minds since then...