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Old February 21 2013, 07:23 AM   #211
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Re: Is the Playstation 4 About to be announced??

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I'm looking for a statement something like: "The Playstation 4 requires an online connection to use." If there's no physical media and no game discs to buy, Sony effectively will eliminate the second hand market, something the game industry is dying to do.

I'm enjoying this blog:
http://www.dpaddbags.com/blog/the-so...drinking-game/
Take a drink if the Playstation 4 requires an always-on internet connection.
Take two drinks if always-on DRM is described as a benefit to consumers.
Finish your drink if the crowd cheers that previous statement.


I'll have no part of a cloud based console. What the fuck is the point of that? I'll happily go back to PC gaming if the future of the console market is based around getting assfucked by game companies that are going to bully consumers into paying for their bullshit no-media software, reeking of senseless "social media" features. I'm paying for it = I want to hold it and put it on my shelf. Non-negotiable.

(From Wikipedia):

Announced titles

This is a list of games currently announced for the PlayStation 4.
Title Publisher/Developer
Deep Down
(working title)[11] Capcom
Destiny
[12] Bungie
Diablo III
[13] Blizzard Entertainment
Driveclub
[14] Evolution Studios
Final Fantasy
(TBA)[15] Square Enix
Infamous: Second Son
[16] Sucker Punch Productions
Killzone: Shadow Fall[17] Guerrilla Games
Knack
[18] SCE Japan Studio
Watch Dogs
[19] Ubisoft Montreal
The Witness
[20] Jonathan Blow

I didn't see anything that suggested no physical media. Seeing as how Sony invented Blu-ray and there are reports that the next Xbox will adopt a BD drive, I doubt Sony will abandon it now.

Always online would make me hesitate too. There are too many outages in my neck of the woods to tolerate that. Part of the advantage of console gaming is the added security of being on a closed system. There has been very little in the way of piracy on consoles.
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Old February 21 2013, 07:27 AM   #212
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Re: Is the Playstation 4 About to be announced??

IGN quotes a Sony exec: PS4 won't block used games.

http://m.ign.com/articles/2013/02/21...ock-used-games

There you go. Is there anymore speculation out there?
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Old February 21 2013, 12:04 PM   #213
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Agreed.MSFT is making a ton on XBL, no doubt because the PSN is free. Where Sony drops the ball is on marketing their games. Allowing COD to have a 30 day headstart on XBL is a bad move, IMHO. They have to do more to neutralize XBL's advantage in North America.

When I say PS3 outsold 360, I mean since its release in 2006. They have pretty much equal marketshare worldwide and the PS3 has been in the market for a year less than the 360.... and at all times, $100 more than the 360. A price drop and some marketing would do Somy wonders, but that's hard to do when the company is loosing so much money.

Today is te big day!! Spike TV will be airring the conference!
Worldwide yes, but not in every market. In markets like the N. America and the UK. Doesn't the 360 still out sell the PS3?

http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming...record-1131356
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Old February 21 2013, 03:24 PM   #214
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Re: Is the Playstation 4 About to be announced??

So, the bullit points thanks to joystiq:

The PlayStation 4 is a thing, and it's coming holiday 2013. The PS4 has 8GB of memory, a local hard drive and x86 CPU, alongside a secondary custom chip that allows users to play games while they download (and will eventually read our minds).
•The DualShock 4 controller features a touch pad front-and-center, alongside a headphone jack and share button that broadcasts games to other players in real-time. An additional "light bar" helps identify individual players and turns the gamepad into a Move controller, though the Move still works with PS4. The share button uses tech from Gaikai.
•The PlayStation Cloud streams PS1, PS2 and PS3 games, since it appears the PS4 won't be able to play legacy discs. The Vita will be able to play PS4 games remotely.
• And then there are the PS4 games: Knack from Mark Cerny, Killzone: Shadow Fall from Guerilla Games, Driveclub from Evolution Studios, Infamous: Second Son from Sucker Punch, The Witness from Jonathan Blow, Watch Dogs from Ubisoft, Diablo 3 from Blizzard, and Destiny gets Sony-exclusive content from Bungie. Quantic Dream and Capcom showed off some pretty tech demos, including one for Capcom's new original IP, codenamed Deep Down.
It's basically a PC so it won't play PS3 games...
So if you want to play PS3 games you will have to keep that system as well...
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Old February 21 2013, 03:37 PM   #215
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One feature I'd like to see on the PS4 is a DVR of some sorts with a quick connection to You Tube, Twitter and Facebook. I'd love to record my gameplay footage and quickly share my experiences.
Looks like you got that with the share button and functionality.
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Old February 21 2013, 03:41 PM   #216
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I'll have no part of a cloud based console. What the fuck is the point of that? I'll happily go back to PC gaming if the future of the console market is based around getting assfucked by game companies that are going to bully consumers into paying for their bullshit no-media software, reeking of senseless "social media" features. I'm paying for it = I want to hold it and put it on my shelf. Non-negotiable.
If you don't want that crap, the last thing you'd want to do is return to PC gaming. This always online DRM bullshit started on PC, and it's unusual these days to purchase physical copies of PC games, they're mostly downloaded through services like Steam or Origin.


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And why would anyone want the PSN for free, it won't be free when the hackers steal your info.
Why should I have to pay to access Youtube or browse the internet? I can get my head around charging for multiplayer gaming and Microsoft services, but why in the fuck should I have to pay to access external services?

I have a 360 and it's a great machine, I've purchased twice as many games for it than I ever bought for the PS2. But the nickel-and-diming MS does with Xbox Live has me really temped to jump back to the PS4.
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Old February 21 2013, 03:46 PM   #217
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What an incredible relief... they seemed to have carefully phrased it for old school, offline grumpy gamers like me!
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...net-connection

"Does the PlayStation 4 always need to be connected to the internet, I asked? "You can play offline, but you may want to keep it connected," he suggested. "The system has the low-power mode - I don't know the official term - that the main system is shut down but the subsystem is awake. Downloading or updating or you can wake it up using either the tablet, smartphone or PS Vita."
Are all of those things optional, though? For people who have broadband data limits, for example? They can customise everything?
"Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally. Social is big for us, but we understand there are some people who are anti-social! So if you don't want to connect to anyone else, you can do that."


Maybe I'll get to enjoy Diablo III, after all. Thing is, I'm still not done with Lord of Destruction.
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Old February 21 2013, 05:09 PM   #218
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Ahh, more energy-leeching technology. Just what we all need.
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Old February 21 2013, 05:17 PM   #219
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Ahh, more energy-leeching technology. Just what we all need.
...posted from a computer or phone to a forum dedicated to an entertainment franchise. Yes, no hypocrisy here at all!
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Old February 21 2013, 06:48 PM   #220
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Are all of those things optional, though? For people who have broadband data limits, for example? They can customise everything?
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There are still people who have data limits on broadband? Doesn't that defeat the purpose?

"Oh yes, yes, you can go offline totally. Social is big for us, but we understand there are some people who are anti-social! So if you don't want to connect to anyone else, you can do that."


Gee.. thanks for calling me a dinosaur because i don't want to update any of my friends (real and those i can make with a click of the mouse) about anything i do! I still have my phone and email and the people who i want to be contacted by know how to get ahold of me.
Damn.. that was one of the most arrogant statements i read in a while!


As to the PS4 presentation.. weak sauce by not showing the thing itself. The controller looks sleek but i want to see the main machine.

And i couldn't help but smile broadly when i read that people will be able to play used games on it.. i guess Sony is really up against the wall when they're not trying to antagonize their customers.

The PS4 has to be a big hit or else Sony is in very serious trouble.. it needs a golden goose right now.

Let's wait and see what MS has in store.. i don't believe this generation console war will be decided by raw processing power but by unique and interesting gadgets.. so far i didn't hear much from Sony but MS has some cool things in store. Question is how much of it is hype and what's real?
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Old February 21 2013, 07:53 PM   #221
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There are still people who have data limits on broadband? Doesn't that defeat the purpose?
It's pretty common in Canada. All the big ISPs offer 60-80GB a month maximum.
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Old February 21 2013, 08:16 PM   #222
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There was a lot of him-hawing about Sony not showing the actual box last night. I really don't get. In my mind, tjhe form factor of the box itself is nearly irrelevant. I want to know what the box can do and why I should buy it.
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Old February 21 2013, 08:20 PM   #223
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One feature I'd like to see on the PS4 is a DVR of some sorts with a quick connection to You Tube, Twitter and Facebook. I'd love to record my gameplay footage and quickly share my experiences.
Looks like you got that with the share button and functionality.
Sort of... but I lost this one:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/...-digital-games

PS4 won't play digital or retail PS3 games.
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Old February 21 2013, 08:21 PM   #224
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There was a lot of him-hawing about Sony not showing the actual box last night. I really don't get. In my mind, tjhe form factor of the box itself is nearly irrelevant. I want to know what the box can do and why I should buy it.
Yeah same here, I really don't care how it'll look.
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Old February 21 2013, 08:47 PM   #225
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Ahh, more energy-leeching technology. Just what we all need.
...posted from a computer or phone to a forum dedicated to an entertainment franchise. Yes, no hypocrisy here at all!
Ummm.... No. I refer to the habit of modern technology these days never really being "off" and always sipping at electricity. Pretty much everything these days do it and it's part of the larger problem in the energy crisis. So to have a console that's always ready "on demand" sort of adds to a on-going problem.
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