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Old February 21 2013, 09:21 AM   #1
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O'Brien always gets the shaft?

Is there some kind of inside joke among the writers that makes them always screw O'Brien over?

-He gets wrongly tried by the Cardassians, gets stripped, gets a tooth ripped out, and almost gets executed.

-As a clone, everyone treats him like crap, his daughter hates him, and he gets killed.

-He gets put in a "mind prison" for 20 years, kills someone in cold blood while there, and has to live with the PTSD afterwards.

I'm sure I'm missing some others as well. I just feel so bad for the guy...
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Old February 21 2013, 09:27 AM   #2
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Re: O'Brien always gets the shaft?

aaaand in the episode where he keeps flashing into the near future, he gets radiation poisoning and dies.
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Old February 21 2013, 09:51 AM   #3
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Re: O'Brien always gets the shaft?

I'll just quote Memory Alpha, themselves quoting the DVD special features:

The DS9 writing staff had a running joke with a semi-annual "O'Brien Must Suffer" episode. Among these were "Whispers", "Tribunal", "Visionary", "Hard Time", "Honor Among Thieves" and "Prodigal Daughter". (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion) According to Ira Behr, "Every year in one or two shows we try to make his life miserable, because you empathize with him." Robert Hewitt Wolfe further explains, "If O'Brien went through something torturous and horrible, the audience was going to feel that, in a way they wouldn't feel it with any of the other characters. Because all the other characters were sort of, I wouldn't say larger than life, but nobler than life, but O'Brien was just a guy, trying to live his life and so if you tortured him that was a story." (Crew Dossier: Miles O'Brien, DS9 Season 5 DVD, Special Features)
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Old February 22 2013, 01:28 AM   #4
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Re: O'Brien always gets the shaft?

thisisdanzo wrote: View Post
aaaand in the episode where he keeps flashing into the near future, he gets radiation poisoning and dies.
"They killed O'Brien! ...You bastards!"

O'Brien is the improved 'Red Shirt' that takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'!


...Because all the other characters were sort of, I wouldn't say larger than life, but nobler than life, but O'Brien was just a guy, trying to live his life and so if you tortured him that was a story[/I]." (Crew Dossier: Miles O'Brien, DS9 Season 5 DVD, Special Features)
"Vell, O'Brien's just zis guy, you know?"
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Old February 22 2013, 12:02 PM   #5
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Re: O'Brien always gets the shaft?

All is revealed! At least he gets a reprieve in "The Ship" when his buddy dies instead of him.
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Old January 13 2014, 04:34 PM   #6
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Re: O'Brien always gets the shaft?

I too was thinking this while watching "Honor Among Thieves" last night. The mind prison had to be the worst though.
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Old January 13 2014, 07:18 PM   #7
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Re: O'Brien always gets the shaft?

It's a Trek Tradition for there to be one character who always gets abused more than anyone else.

In TOS, it was usually Chekov.

TNG was Geordi.

DS9 was O'Brien.

VOY had Kim, one of the dying-est Ensigns ever.

ENT, I'm pretty sure "Designated Abuse Guy" was Archer.
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Old January 13 2014, 11:26 PM   #8
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ENT, I'm pretty sure "Designated Abuse Guy" was Archer.
Maybe this was one of the problems with ENT - Archer already had plenty to do, so they should have given this "honor" to Mayweather.
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Old January 13 2014, 11:30 PM   #9
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Re: O'Brien always gets the shaft?

thisisdanzo wrote: View Post
Is there some kind of inside joke among the writers that makes them always screw O'Brien over?
YUP.
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Old January 21 2014, 05:45 AM   #10
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Tosk wrote: View Post
I'll just quote Memory Alpha, themselves quoting the DVD special features:

The DS9 writing staff had a running joke with a semi-annual "O'Brien Must Suffer" episode. Among these were "Whispers", "Tribunal", "Visionary", "Hard Time", "Honor Among Thieves" and "Prodigal Daughter". (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion) According to Ira Behr, "Every year in one or two shows we try to make his life miserable, because you empathize with him." Robert Hewitt Wolfe further explains, "If O'Brien went through something torturous and horrible, the audience was going to feel that, in a way they wouldn't feel it with any of the other characters. Because all the other characters were sort of, I wouldn't say larger than life, but nobler than life, but O'Brien was just a guy, trying to live his life and so if you tortured him that was a story." (Crew Dossier: Miles O'Brien, DS9 Season 5 DVD, Special Features)
Yup, they are even selling a shirt on Star Trek's web-site that says, "O'Brien must suffer at least once per season."
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Old January 21 2014, 05:56 AM   #11
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Re: O'Brien always gets the shaft?

As Tosk quoted, these were the O'Brien must suffer episodes.

And of course they had a decent actor with Colm Meany in which to do them.
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Old January 22 2014, 01:31 AM   #12
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I wonder if Colm Meaney liked acting in the O'Brien must suffer episodes.
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Old January 22 2014, 01:47 AM   #13
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Re: O'Brien always gets the shaft?

I don't know whether Colm Meaney enjoyed playing it, when Miles O'Brien got shit on ... but he always delivered. I don't think O'Brien ever gave a dishonest performance, in his entire history with STAR TREK. I was always impressed with how solid his performances were. I wondered what kind of actor he was, I thought he was like one of the "method" actors, he had to be - surely. But no, he said his acting was much more "superficial" than that. Amazing.
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Old January 24 2014, 03:59 AM   #14
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I wonder if Colm Meaney liked acting in the O'Brien must suffer episodes.
Surely. They gave him more to do.
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Old January 24 2014, 04:57 AM   #15
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I wonder if Colm Meaney liked acting in the O'Brien must suffer episodes.
I imagine it beat just pushing buttons on TNG.
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