Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion - Page 9

King Daniel · February 20 2013, 05:36 PM

Saul wrote:

Allyn Gibson wrote:

Caretaker wrote:

My thought is that April's Enterprise in this universe was the ringship version.

It's not. There's a flashback to April's mission to Phaedus, and you see the ship on page 12. To me, it looks to be about halfway between the Matt Jeffries Enterprise and the NuTrek Enterprise.

Ah! ah!! Wanna see! Wanna see!!

I wanna see too! I just read on Trekmovie.com that April's first officer is...

Allyn Gibson · February 20 2013, 05:47 PM

King Daniel wrote:

Saul wrote:

Allyn Gibson wrote:

It's not. There's a flashback to April's mission to Phaedus, and you see the ship on page 12. To me, it looks to be about halfway between the Matt Jeffries Enterprise and the NuTrek Enterprise.

Ah! ah!! Wanna see! Wanna see!!

I wanna see too!

I don't have a scanner, sorry.

The nacelle pylons look straight rather than curved and their mounts are set further back on the secondary hull. Also, the nacelles aren't as tricked out as the film's Enterprise.

King Daniel wrote:

I just read on Trekmovie.com that April's first officer is...

Ah. That's interesting. That could be the link into the film, then.

SalvorHardin · February 20 2013, 05:53 PM

King Daniel wrote:

Saul wrote:

Allyn Gibson wrote:

It's not. There's a flashback to April's mission to Phaedus, and you see the ship on page 12. To me, it looks to be about halfway between the Matt Jeffries Enterprise and the NuTrek Enterprise.

Ah! ah!! Wanna see! Wanna see!!

I wanna see too! I just read on Trekmovie.com that April's first officer is...

Here you go

King Daniel · February 20 2013, 05:57 PM

Thank you very much!

King Daniel · February 20 2013, 06:03 PM

I just realized...

SalvorHardin · February 20 2013, 06:08 PM

^ Is that retirement like one of those infamous Nimoy retirements?

The Wormhole · February 20 2013, 06:08 PM

^^I was just about to comment on that myself.
EDIT: That is the date issue, not the various definitions of retirement.

MFB · February 20 2013, 06:12 PM

King Daniel · February 20 2013, 07:45 PM

SalvorHardin wrote:

^ Is that retirement like one of those infamous Nimoy retirements?

Maybe.

But with this and the reported new Gorn backstory in the videogame...

...I'm not so sure there's any point in trying to reconcile old and new Trek anymore. Old Spock aside, it looks like they're treating it as a true reboot, a loose adaptation of the old, and not an alternate timeline beginning in 2233 + visual upgrade as I'd previously believed.

Christopher · February 20 2013, 07:50 PM

^Again, the tie-ins are not technically canonical. Whatever "oversight" there may be from Orci, they're still largely the creations of people other than Abrams's Supreme Court. It's a mistake to assume they're on the same level as the movie canon. Until the actual movies contradict something from canon before 2233, we can't draw any indisputable conclusions from what the tie-ins propose.

Ronald Held · February 20 2013, 08:29 PM

Isn't part 2 out today?

Markonian · February 20 2013, 09:28 PM

King Daniel wrote:

I just realized...

Captain for ten years - not necessarily captain of the same ship for ten years.

ryan123450 · February 20 2013, 09:53 PM

Christopher wrote:

^Again, the tie-ins are not technically canonical. Whatever "oversight" there may be from Orci, they're still largely the creations of people other than Abrams's Supreme Court. It's a mistake to assume they're on the same level as the movie canon. Until the actual movies contradict something from canon before 2233, we can't draw any indisputable conclusions from what the tie-ins propose.

Not that I doubt what you're saying, but I've not kept up with the interviews and statements. Where did they talk about the canonicity of their tie-ins?

SalvorHardin · February 20 2013, 10:04 PM

ryan123450 wrote:

Christopher wrote:

^Again, the tie-ins are not technically canonical. Whatever "oversight" there may be from Orci, they're still largely the creations of people other than Abrams's Supreme Court. It's a mistake to assume they're on the same level as the movie canon. Until the actual movies contradict something from canon before 2233, we can't draw any indisputable conclusions from what the tie-ins propose.

Not that I doubt what you're saying, but I've not kept up with the interviews and statements. Where did they talk about the canonicity of their tie-ins?

This is the latest comment on the matter from January, while talking about Countdown

How canon is this?

Orci: We get asked that a lot, and it’s our understanding that canon is that which is filmed. As a strict Constitutionalist, I don’t support a change in the definition of canon during my tenure. Perhaps future courts can take up the issue, but in the meantime the comics are as close to canon as you can get without being on film.

http://www.startrek.com/article/orci...wn-to-darkness

BillJ · February 20 2013, 10:18 PM

SalvorHardin wrote:

How canon is this?

Orci: We get asked that a lot, and it’s our understanding that canon is that which is filmed. As a strict Constitutionalist, I don’t support a change in the definition of canon during my tenure. Perhaps future courts can take up the issue, but in the meantime the comics are as close to canon as you can get without being on film.

Which means not at all.

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February 20 2013, 05:57 PM	#124
King Daniel Admiral Location: KingDaniel has fallen Into Darkness (in England)	Re: Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion Thank you very much! __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun video mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors. Episode One Episode Two

February 20 2013, 06:03 PM	#125
King Daniel Admiral Location: KingDaniel has fallen Into Darkness (in England)	Re: Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion I just realized... April vanished twenty years ago, and at that time had been commanding the Enterprise for ten years. That's before the timelines split. I hereby officially announce my retirement from trying to make any sense of this! __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun video mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors. Episode One Episode Two

February 20 2013, 06:08 PM	#126
SalvorHardin Rear Admiral Location: Star's End	Re: Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion ^ Is that retirement like one of those infamous Nimoy retirements? __________________ www.youtube.com/user/SalvorSeldon

February 20 2013, 06:08 PM	#127
The Wormhole Admiral	Re: Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion ^^I was just about to comment on that myself. EDIT: That is the date issue, not the various definitions of retirement. __________________ "Internet message boards aren't as funny today as they were ten years ago. I've stopped reading new posts." -The Simpsons 20th anniversary special.

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February 20 2013, 06:12 PM	#128
MFB Ensign Location: Graz, Austria	Re: Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion He said he was captain for ten years. But not necessarily captain of the Enterprise.

February 20 2013, 07:50 PM	#130
Christopher Writer	Re: Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion ^Again, the tie-ins are not technically canonical. Whatever "oversight" there may be from Orci, they're still largely the creations of people other than Abrams's Supreme Court. It's a mistake to assume they're on the same level as the movie canon. Until the actual movies contradict something from canon before 2233, we can't draw any indisputable conclusions from what the tie-ins propose. __________________ Christopher L. Bennett Homepage -- Includes purchasing links for Only Superhuman, on sale now! Updated 12/30/12 with annotations for the novel. Written Worlds -- My blog

February 20 2013, 08:29 PM	#131
Ronald Held Rear Admiral Location: On the USS Sovereign	Re: Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion Isn't part 2 out today?