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Old February 19 2013, 10:02 AM   #61
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Re: New Frontier?

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Sure, but what about the many fans that do care about inter-novel continuity?

And the Crucible trilogy was never meant to be apart of the inter-novel continuity. Plagues of Night and Raise the Dawn were. Hell, the events in that book are VITAL to what will occur within the inter-novel continuity now and in the future. Now people who care about such things will have to ignore a few continuity errors that takes place in both books.

It's just annoying that a mistake like this one was made. It seems like it could have been avoided, especially considering what David A. McIntee had to say about this entire debacle.

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Old February 19 2013, 12:25 PM   #62
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Re: New Frontier?

It can STILL be avoided. Doesn't take much for some author to put a small one-paragraph fix in somewhere. Like I said, isn't the Leah Brahms/Ogawa stuff the only things left that haven't been mentioned somewhere?

Those are both easily repaired.

ST authors, get on it!
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Old February 19 2013, 02:47 PM   #63
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Re: New Frontier?

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Sure, but what about the many fans that do care about inter-novel continuity?
I don't recall anyone being made a promise that all 24th century novels would be consistent with each other forever.

You can't please all of the people all of the time. Who knows? Maybe the audience is 50% for continuity and 50% against? We do know that not every ST collector even buys/reads every novel.

And the Crucible trilogy was never meant to be apart of the inter-novel continuity. Plagues of Night and Raise the Dawn were.
Are you sure?

Now people who care about such things will have to ignore a few continuity errors that takes place in both books.
Horrors! Like that has never happened before!

It's just annoying that a mistake like this one was made. It seems like it could have been avoided...
Again, like that has never happened before!
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Old February 19 2013, 02:59 PM   #64
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And the Crucible trilogy was never meant to be apart of the inter-novel continuity. Plagues of Night and Raise the Dawn were.
Are you sure?
So all future DS9 books are now either in their own universe or are using the old station?
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Old February 19 2013, 04:27 PM   #65
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or are using the old station?
Who's claiming that?
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Old February 19 2013, 05:49 PM   #66
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I'm still in the middle of New Frontier (don't even have the Excalibur-A yet ) but I'd like to see it brought back and tied into The Continuity again. Even if the series ends, some of the characters could be transferred and put on good use elsewhere (like Tuvok after the end of the first VOY Relaunch).

Just my personal opinion, but I am one of those appreciating continuity. That's why I watch series like ST, Desperate Housewives, Grey's Anatomy, My Little Pony, etc. - because what happens in one episode may influence another. That's why I don't watch The Simpsons or read TOS 5YM.

In my humble opinion, to the don't-care-about-Continuity reader it doesn't matter whether IFM fits in or not, it's just a great read, some random adventure in a shiny fictional universe. But to those valuing The Continuity these adventures are not random but part of a mosaic forming a complex, diverse universe.

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Old February 19 2013, 09:38 PM   #67
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^^ Exactly.
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Old February 19 2013, 09:57 PM   #68
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or are using the old station?
Who's claiming that?
You're the one likening it the the Crucible trilogy.
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Old February 19 2013, 10:08 PM   #69
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You're the one likening it the the Crucible trilogy.
And that's all I did. I've heard very few complaints that "Crucible" didn't fit with established continuity - and, seemingly, it was still a best-selling series of ST novels.
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Old February 19 2013, 10:16 PM   #70
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Quick timeline question, if someone could answer without spoilers because I'm not there yet. I know Calhoun appears in Before Dishonor. Does that take place before or after the final two NF books, Treason and Blind Man's Bluff?

I'm doing a complete novelverse read from DS9 relaunch through the present books. I am currently just beginning the Time For series and haven't read any NF. I'm considering both if and when I should add those, because its a pretty daunting add on.
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Old February 19 2013, 10:17 PM   #71
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You're the one likening it the the Crucible trilogy.
And that's all I did. I've heard very few complaints that "Crucible" didn't fit with established continuity - and, seemingly, it was still a best-selling series of ST novels.
The problem here is that "Crucible" wasn't meant to fit with established continuity, we were told this going into to it.

Plagues of Night and Raise the Dawn on the other hand were supposed to fit with established continuity hell these books had the resolution to a lot of plots and the furthering of some others. You can't have all of that off in its own little universe that is mostly separate from where the plots started and the ones still ongoing will end.
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Old February 19 2013, 10:54 PM   #72
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The problem here is that "Crucible" wasn't meant to fit with established continuity, we were told this going into to it.
Star Trek readers who visit BBSs regularly were told this. A tiny percentage. Casual readers just bought 'em and read 'em.
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Old February 19 2013, 11:28 PM   #73
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dansigal wrote: View Post
Quick timeline question, if someone could answer without spoilers because I'm not there yet. I know Calhoun appears in Before Dishonor. Does that take place before or after the final two NF books, Treason and Blind Man's Bluff?

I'm doing a complete novelverse read from DS9 relaunch through the present books. I am currently just beginning the Time For series and haven't read any NF. I'm considering both if and when I should add those, because its a pretty daunting add on.
Before Dishonor takes place before Treason and Blind Man's Bluff. Here's a quick guide:

(During Season 5 of DS9)
  • House of Cards
  • Into the Void
  • The Two-Front War
  • End Game
(During Season 6 of DS9)
  • Martyr
  • Fire on High
  • The Captain's Table, Book 5: Once Burned
  • Double Time
(During Season 7 of DS9)
  • TOTDW: Stone Cold Truths
(During the early DS9 Relaunch)
  • TNG: Double Helix, Book 5: Double or Nothing
  • The Quiet Place
  • Dark Allies
  • Excalibur: Requiem
  • Excalibur: Renaissance
  • Excalibur: Restoration
  • Gateways, Book 6: Cold Wars
  • Gateways: Death After Life
(During the mid DS9 Relaunch)
  • Being Human
  • Gods Above
  • Stone and Anvil
  • No Limits
(During the late DS9 Relaunch)
  • TFTCT: Pain Management
(Just before NEMESIS)
  • After the Fall
(During NEMESIS)
  • Missing in Action
(TNG Relaunch books with cameos)
  • TNG: Q&A
  • TNG: Before Dishonor
(Before DESTINY)
  • Turnaround
  • Treason
(After DESTINY)
  • Blind Man's Bluff
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Old February 20 2013, 01:31 AM   #74
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Hey that's awesome, ryan. Even though it wasn't me that asked the question, thanks for that!!
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Old February 20 2013, 02:47 AM   #75
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No problem. Typed it up quick from my work-in-progress site. Getting really close to publishing. Can't wait for everyone to see.
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