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Old February 17 2013, 10:16 PM   #196
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Does anyone know if the Bar Fight music from Trials and Tribbelations? will be included in the set?
Yes, it's there, on the last disk.

I got mine in the mail yesterday, which was a surprise, considering that I ordered it last Tuesday afternoon. I figured I had at least another week wait ahead of me, considering how long it took for them to send the TOS set.

Not that I'm complaining of course.
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Old February 17 2013, 10:25 PM   #197
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Does anyone know if the Bar Fight music from Trials and Tribbelations? will be included in the set?
Yes, it's there, on the last disk.

I got mine in the mail yesterday, which was a surprise, considering that I ordered it last Tuesday afternoon. I figured I had at least another week wait ahead of me, considering how long it took for them to send the TOS set.

Not that I'm complaining of course.
YES! thanks. I'm excited to get it now.
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Old February 18 2013, 02:56 AM   #198
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Bell was a great addition to both DS9 and Voyager but he was by far the most repetitive composer. Take for example the cue in Sacrifice of the Angels when Kira and Rom get in the fire fight in the cargo bay it is almost exactly the same as the opening phaser fight in the Voyager episode Unity. Not to say his scores did not enchance the episodes he did but they had a tendancy to sound like the same score over and over.
David Bell and Jay Chattaway were my favorite Star Trek composers but yes Bell was the most repetitive! I could usually tell within a minute or two that it was him scoring the episode. That being said I loved the more dark and sober edge his music brought...particularly to DS9.
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Old February 18 2013, 03:15 AM   #199
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I don't recall McCarthy doing much reuse across franchises, such as melodies from V or MacGyver showing up in TNG, though there were a couple of close approximations.
The one big V reuse I remember McCarthy doing on TNG was in Encounter at Farpoint. The fanfare he used for Q's entrance as the judge was also his fanfare for The Leader in the final episode of V. Other than that, he mostly only used his military snare thing on TNG sometimes.
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Old February 18 2013, 04:06 AM   #200
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David Bell and Jay Chattaway were my favorite Star Trek composers but yes Bell was the most repetitive! I could usually tell within a minute or two that it was him scoring the episode.
Gee, I could usually tell within a couple of bars which composer it was. The orchestrations and rhythms that McCarthy, Chattaway, and Bell used were very distinctive. Bell was particularly easy since he routinely did his Trek scores in waltz time. I think he also used more French horns than the others. McCarthy was big on brass and strings and used pretty steady 4/4 time. Chattaway also used a lot of brass, but less solo trumpet, and less cello and bass than McCarthy; he also tended to make more use of long sustained notes and varying or syncopated rhythms, without the same kind of driving ostinati that the other two used.


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The one big V reuse I remember McCarthy doing on TNG was in Encounter at Farpoint. The fanfare he used for Q's entrance as the judge was also his fanfare for The Leader in the final episode of V. Other than that, he mostly only used his military snare thing on TNG sometimes.
Oh yeah, I discovered that recently, but had forgotten.
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Old February 18 2013, 12:43 PM   #201
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Gee, I could usually tell within a couple of bars which composer it was. The orchestrations and rhythms that McCarthy, Chattaway, and Bell used were very distinctive. Bell was particularly easy since he routinely did his Trek scores in waltz time. I think he also used more French horns than the others. McCarthy was big on brass and strings and used pretty steady 4/4 time. Chattaway also used a lot of brass, but less solo trumpet, and less cello and bass than McCarthy; he also tended to make more use of long sustained notes and varying or syncopated rhythms, without the same kind of driving ostinati that the other two used.
A few bars usually gave the composer away for me as well. Bell was especially easy because there's a particular harmonic progression that he beats into the ground. Chattaway's orchestrations are leaner than the other two, with more usage of solo instrumentation. McCarthy is just a big wall of sound.

In Enterprise, it got increasingly harder to identify the composer partly because their usual patterns were broken but also because there were more of them.
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Old February 18 2013, 03:41 PM   #202
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I have mine and I have to say it is fantastic! It is interesting to see that McCarthy did steal from himself, he uses almost the exact same cue from "The Die is Cast" in the Generations soundtrack. I thought that was really interesting
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Old February 18 2013, 03:49 PM   #203
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It is interesting to see that McCarthy did steal from himself, he uses almost the exact same cue from "The Die is Cast" in the Generations soundtrack.
Other way around. Generations came first.

I once saw a quote from McCarthy saying that he reused the Generations cues to see if anyone was paying attention. Obviously a lot of us were. (Or maybe he meant he wanted to see if Berman was paying attention? Berman -- and Lauritson, I guess -- discouraged the composers from reusing themes and motifs, and maybe he was testing to see if they would even notice if he did. That's just speculation, though.)
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Old February 18 2013, 08:21 PM   #204
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I have mine! Man, it is good - much more dynamic than the TNG soundtrack from last year. The music from "What You Leave Behind" puts a lump in my throat.
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Old February 18 2013, 10:13 PM   #205
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It is interesting to see that McCarthy did steal from himself, he uses almost the exact same cue from "The Die is Cast" in the Generations soundtrack.
Other way around. Generations came first.

I once saw a quote from McCarthy saying that he reused the Generations cues to see if anyone was paying attention. Obviously a lot of us were. (Or maybe he meant he wanted to see if Berman was paying attention? Berman -- and Lauritson, I guess -- discouraged the composers from reusing themes and motifs, and maybe he was testing to see if they would even notice if he did. That's just speculation, though.)
Well I was listening! Thanks Chris
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Old February 18 2013, 11:05 PM   #206
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It is interesting to see that McCarthy did steal from himself, he uses almost the exact same cue from "The Die is Cast" in the Generations soundtrack.
Other way around. Generations came first.

I once saw a quote from McCarthy saying that he reused the Generations cues to see if anyone was paying attention. Obviously a lot of us were. (Or maybe he meant he wanted to see if Berman was paying attention? Berman -- and Lauritson, I guess -- discouraged the composers from reusing themes and motifs, and maybe he was testing to see if they would even notice if he did. That's just speculation, though.)
I always found it amazing how Chattaway was able to work in a Leitmotif for Species 8472 and The Borg in Voy's Scorpion and the Dominion in "A Call To Arms" on Ds9 all within the same time period and get away with it.
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Old February 19 2013, 12:13 AM   #207
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just ordered it.....now the long wait for it to arrive in the uk begins.
I was confused by the shipping charges to the UK:

ALL OTHER COUNTRIES: $9.00 for the first CD and $2.50 for each
additional CD. – (don’t forget to add $2.50 for each disc in multiple CD sets)


So $16.50 in addition to the $49.98?
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Old February 19 2013, 12:41 AM   #208
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I always found it amazing how Chattaway was able to work in a Leitmotif for Species 8472 and The Borg in Voy's Scorpion and the Dominion in "A Call To Arms" on Ds9 all within the same time period and get away with it.
I liked that Chattaway added those particular leitmotif's from Voyager briefly into future episodes too. It truly is a great shame that the composers talents were continually hampered by the producers, Trek's music should have been more than it was.
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Old February 19 2013, 11:05 AM   #209
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Re: La-La Land Records to release 4-disc DS9 soundtrack set!

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just ordered it.....now the long wait for it to arrive in the uk begins.
I was confused by the shipping charges to the UK:

ALL OTHER COUNTRIES: $9.00 for the first CD and $2.50 for each
additional CD. – (don’t forget to add $2.50 for each disc in multiple CD sets)


So $16.50 in addition to the $49.98?
Yes - that's what my shipping came to.
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Old February 19 2013, 12:13 PM   #210
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I was confused by the shipping charges to the UK:

ALL OTHER COUNTRIES: $9.00 for the first CD and $2.50 for each
additional CD. – (don’t forget to add $2.50 for each disc in multiple CD sets)

So $16.50 in addition to the $49.98?
Why the confusion? I think the shipping charge calculation is worded quite clearly.
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