RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 138,351
Posts: 5,354,605
Members: 24,620
Currently online: 757
Newest member: Cultiste

TrekToday headlines

Sci-Fried To Release New Album
By: T'Bonz on Jul 28

Star Trek/Planet of the Apes Crossover
By: T'Bonz on Jul 28

Star Trek into Darkness Soundtrack
By: T'Bonz on Jul 28

Horse 1, Shatner 0
By: T'Bonz on Jul 28

Drexler TV Alert
By: T'Bonz on Jul 26

Retro Review: His Way
By: Michelle on Jul 26

MicroWarriors Releases Next Week
By: T'Bonz on Jul 25

Ships Of The Line Design Contest
By: T'Bonz on Jul 25

Next Weekend: Shore Leave 36!
By: T'Bonz on Jul 25

True Trek History To Be Penned
By: T'Bonz on Jul 25


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > TV & Media

TV & Media Non-Trek television, movies, books, music, etc.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 45 25.71%
A 48 27.43%
A- 29 16.57%
B+ 14 8.00%
B 8 4.57%
B- 11 6.29%
C+ 4 2.29%
C 4 2.29%
C- 7 4.00%
D+ 2 1.14%
D 1 0.57%
D- 0 0%
F 2 1.14%
Voters: 175. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old February 17 2013, 10:27 PM   #496
Professor Zoom
Vice Admiral
 
Professor Zoom's Avatar
 
Location: Idealistic
Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion

JarodRussell wrote: View Post
I've been watching the entire Bond series lately, and the amazing revelation was that Judi Dench's M fucked it up in every single Bond film she's been in. She's mostly working against Bond, and in the end has to admit that he's been right and she's been wrong. Skyfall feels like the climax of the arc of an incompetent M.
It's not the climax of the incompetent M. It's where Bond JOINS her in being incompetent.

How many people who fuck up as much as Bond does in this movie STILL get to keep their job?
__________________
Batman does not eat nachos.
Professor Zoom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 18 2013, 01:35 AM   #497
Captrek
Rear Admiral
 
Captrek's Avatar
 
Location: Second star to the right
Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion

Professor Zoom wrote: View Post
How many people who fuck up as much as Bond does in this movie STILL get to keep their job?
A number of these people come to mind.
Captrek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 18 2013, 08:56 AM   #498
Gaith
Rear Admiral
 
Gaith's Avatar
 
Location: Washington, DC
Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion

Starkers wrote: View Post
Er, he was all huffy towards her in CR and QoS to, in fact you could argue his view is exactly the same in all three films. "You should have trusted me." in fact the film where M has a point is arguably CR because Bond is an idiot in it.
Maybe, but at least there he's doing his best, which is pretty darn good, and is huffy only when he thinks M is holding him back. In Skyfall, however, he repeatedly fails spectacularly (doesn't secure the agent list, doesn't even attempt to save the Hong Kong shooting victim, doesn't tell Q it might not be such a great idea to plug Silva's computer right into the MI6 network, and apparently doesn't notice several large gas cannisters while booby-trapping the manor), deserts the service, then doesn't point out the obvious - that he isn't fit for duty - upon his return, and is huffy all the while towards M because she's more correct than he is.
Gaith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 18 2013, 10:44 AM   #499
Starkers
Admiral
 
Starkers's Avatar
 
Location: Behind enemy lines
Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion

Where in his job description does it say that 007 should save the assasination victim in Shanghai? For all we know the guy Patrice shot is as much of a bastard as Silva, in fact you could argue that given the circles he's obviously travelling in he's unlikely to be a humanitarian. Personally I'm more bothered about the poor security guy Patrice offs downstairs...

But, again, you could argue Bond is acting no differently. How many times has 007 gone out of his way to protect an innocent who wasn't the Bond girl or someone he had a specific reason to protect? 00 Agent, licenced to kill, he's an assasin, a blunt object whose objective is to provoke and confront, if I recall the M/Miranda conversation from DAD correctly.

007 is also not an expert in IT so I wouldn't expect him to suddenly turn into Harry Enfield and go "Ere, Q, you don't wanna do it like that, you want to do it like this..."

And I think he does know about the gas canisters, he just had no reason to need to use them because he wasn't expecting a helicopter gunship to turn up.

As for the agent list, he wasn't given the chance to retrive it, instead M told an inexperienced field agent to take a shot at two practically inseperable targets on a moving train...personally I think it was a situation where they were both right, to an extent, or at least I can see both points of view.

As for not pointing out that he's unfit for service, again I could give you countless examples of that (TWINE for one).
__________________
Werewolves on the Moon Now with Dawn of the Planet of the Apes review

The Devils of Amber Street
Starkers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 18 2013, 06:41 PM   #500
Gaith
Rear Admiral
 
Gaith's Avatar
 
Location: Washington, DC
Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion

Starkers wrote: View Post
007 is also not an expert in IT so I wouldn't expect him to suddenly turn into Harry Enfield and go "Ere, Q, you don't wanna do it like that, you want to do it like this..."
Really? Did you not see Casino Royale, in which he was able to track a cell phone using M's personal computer?

No offense, but I can't really take anyone seriously who defends this plot point. Bond was shown in this same movie to be wary of Q's youth and inexperience. He knew Q had caused a massive explosion in MI6 via hacking alone. And, as we've seen in Quantum of Solace, when he told the airline girl she was about to get a call inquiring where he was headed, he knows a thing or two about how fast modern and sophisticated modern computing is.

Maybe he took a few too many hits to the head before Istanbul, because Skyfall's Bond is a lot dumber than CR/QoS'.
Gaith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 18 2013, 06:43 PM   #501
Mr. Laser Beam
Fleet Admiral
 
Mr. Laser Beam's Avatar
 
Location: The visitor's bullpen
View Mr. Laser Beam's Twitter Profile
Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion

Starkers wrote: View Post
Where in his job description does it say that 007 should save the assasination victim in Shanghai?
Or that he even could? The only way Bond could have saved that victim is if he'd shot Patrice first, and obviously he couldn't do that.
__________________
In labor news: Longshoremen walked off the piers today. Rescue operations are continuing.
Mr. Laser Beam is online now   Reply With Quote
Old February 18 2013, 08:54 PM   #502
Starkers
Admiral
 
Starkers's Avatar
 
Location: Behind enemy lines
Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion

Gaith wrote: View Post
Starkers wrote: View Post
007 is also not an expert in IT so I wouldn't expect him to suddenly turn into Harry Enfield and go "Ere, Q, you don't wanna do it like that, you want to do it like this..."
Really? Did you not see Casino Royale, in which he was able to track a cell phone using M's personal computer?

No offense, but I can't really take anyone seriously who defends this plot point. Bond was shown in this same movie to be wary of Q's youth and inexperience. He knew Q had caused a massive explosion in MI6 via hacking alone. And, as we've seen in Quantum of Solace, when he told the airline girl she was about to get a call inquiring where he was headed, he knows a thing or two about how fast modern and sophisticated modern computing is.

Maybe he took a few too many hits to the head before Istanbul, because Skyfall's Bond is a lot dumber than CR/QoS'.
The trouble with Casino Royale is that it portrays Bond by turns as an idiot and a genius (just check out his surveillance techniques in Miami airport.)

Knowing how fast modern computing is is somewhat removed from being anywhere near the level of technical expertise that Silva and Q are meant to have. The trouble is you want to argue both ways, you berate Bond for questioning M's competence whilst also berating him for not questioning Q's!

And let's face it, Mallory and co were quite right...

But, you know, you hate Skyfall so keep picking. Does it have flaws, yup, do I still love it, yup.
__________________
Werewolves on the Moon Now with Dawn of the Planet of the Apes review

The Devils of Amber Street
Starkers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 18 2013, 09:28 PM   #503
CaptainCanada
Admiral
 
CaptainCanada's Avatar
 
Location: Kingston, Ontario, Canada
Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion

On the tech front, having some knowledge of technology doesn't make Bond a tech specialist, which is what Q is. Bond would defer to him on stuff like that, that's Q's job. It'd be like questioning the procedures of Microsoft designers because you know how to set up a desktop PC.
__________________
"I'm a white male, age 18 to 49. Everyone listens to me, no matter how dumb my suggestions are!"

- Homer Simpson
CaptainCanada is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 3 2013, 10:48 PM   #504
Gaith
Rear Admiral
 
Gaith's Avatar
 
Location: Washington, DC
Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion

Ye all knew this day would come. And it hits all the right beats, along with the usual few stupid/joke ones. (Except Moneypenny's huge frizzy 'fro. Totally not suited for field work. At least Jinx got the hair part right!)

Everything Wrong With Skyfall In 4 Minutes Or Less
Gaith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 3 2013, 11:53 PM   #505
Flying Spaghetti Monster
Vice Admiral
 
Flying Spaghetti Monster's Avatar
 
Location: Flying Spaghetti Western
Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion

I find Craig perfect for Bond in any objective way to measure it, but is also beyond dull. I can't get engaged in his character at all.
__________________
Can't we have pills and cook the corn?
Flying Spaghetti Monster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 4 2013, 12:09 AM   #506
JarodRussell
Vice Admiral
 
JarodRussell's Avatar
 
Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion

CaptainCanada wrote: View Post
On the tech front, having some knowledge of technology doesn't make Bond a tech specialist, which is what Q is. Bond would defer to him on stuff like that, that's Q's job. It'd be like questioning the procedures of Microsoft designers because you know how to set up a desktop PC.
Bond has been shown to have a vast knowledge about anything he's asked about throughout the entire film series.
__________________
lol
l
/\
JarodRussell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 4 2013, 02:30 AM   #507
Trekker4747
Fleet Admiral
 
Trekker4747's Avatar
 
Location: Kansas City
Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion

Gaith wrote: View Post
Ye all knew this day would come. And it hits all the right beats, along with the usual few stupid/joke ones. (Except Moneypenny's huge frizzy 'fro. Totally not suited for field work. At least Jinx got the hair part right!)

Everything Wrong With Skyfall In 4 Minutes Or Less
Funny, funny, stuff.

Watched the one for "The Room", holy shit that was TOO funny!
__________________
Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.
Trekker4747 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 7 2013, 12:55 AM   #508
marillion
Vice Admiral
 
marillion's Avatar
 
Location: Hangin' with Smokey Bear
View marillion's Twitter Profile
Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion

Well, despite helming the most successful Bond movie ever, Sam Mendes is bailing on the franchise so he can focus on Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and King Lear...

AICN
__________________
Find a new way of life - www.marillion.com
marillion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 7 2013, 02:32 AM   #509
JarodRussell
Vice Admiral
 
JarodRussell's Avatar
 
Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion

Maybe they let Stuart Baird and John Logan team up again.
__________________
lol
l
/\
JarodRussell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 7 2013, 10:02 AM   #510
Starkers
Admiral
 
Starkers's Avatar
 
Location: Behind enemy lines
Re: Skyfall - Grading & Discussion

Shudder...

I'm not surprised Mendes has made that decision, he has other projects he wants to work on and he clearly almost did take it on. No point working yourself into an early grave!

He isn't ruling out doing another one at some point in the future. If DC does end up doing two more it might be that Mendes' hiatus is only one film and he returns for Craig's send off.

You do kinda have to feel sorry for the next guy...
__________________
Werewolves on the Moon Now with Dawn of the Planet of the Apes review

The Devils of Amber Street
Starkers is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
007, james bond

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:21 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.