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Old February 14 2013, 06:46 PM   #31
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Re: William Shatner Calls J.J. Abrams "a Pig" for Hogging Both Star Tr

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Exploration, Interpersonal Relations and Ethical Debates.
People really have a tough time telling TV show structure from movies. The above works great on TV when you have fifteen to eighteen hours to fill. It doesn't work when you are making a two-hour film designed to sell tickets. People go to the movies for the larger-than-life spectacle.
That is a bad joke right?

You are aware that there are movies that don't have explosions as their main theme?

There is a difference between smart and dumb entertainment, guess which side of that fence the new Star Trek is angling for.[/QUOTE]


straightforward action has been part of Star Trek almost from day one. Two of the most successful Trek movies are TWOK and FC, both of which are essentially action movies.
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Old February 14 2013, 06:58 PM   #32
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both of which are essentially action movies.
... pffft.

That made me laugh thanks. You have quite a sense of humor.

The action did accent the story of those movies well though. They did go a bit overboard on First Contact though, the dialog made up for though.
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Old February 14 2013, 07:02 PM   #33
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both of which are essentially action movies.
... pffft.

That made me laugh thanks. You have quite a sense of humor.

The action did accent the story of those movies well though. They did go a bit overboard on First Contact though, the dialog made up for though.
Most Trek movies are action-oriented. Every NextGen film had physical altercations and spaceship battles. The only one that felt like it had any kind of soul was Nemesis.

You're trying to damn one film for having elements which most of the films have in abundance.
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Old February 14 2013, 07:07 PM   #34
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Most Trek movies are action-oriented. Every NextGen film had physical altercations and spaceship battles. The only one that felt like it had any kind of soul was Nemesis.

You're trying to damn one film for having elements which most of the films have in abundance.
Generations = Terrible
First Contact = Good
Insurrection = /Vomits
Nemesis = Mindless Action

First Contact was good because the Story not the Borg Cube Battle or fist fights. Not great but good. "A line must be drawn!"

I never said I damned JJ's Films, Star Trek is Star Wars with Captain Kirk.
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Old February 14 2013, 07:09 PM   #35
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both of which are essentially action movies.
... pffft.

That made me laugh thanks. You have quite a sense of humor.

The action did accent the story of those movies well though. They did go a bit overboard on First Contact though, the dialog made up for though.

ah, so in movies you like, the action "accents" the story, but in movies you don't, the movie's action means it's dumbed-down. Got it.
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Old February 14 2013, 07:11 PM   #36
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'I just have one thing to say. You're anscestors are all pig-apes'

The Palistinian president Abdinijad? or one of the axis of evil country presidents..
anyway,
It's safe to say they're both pig-apes, that's for sure, but where is hitler when you really need him. Nimoy sold the original old universe out anyway I guess as a farewell FU to the fans. So that's what the Vulcan salute really means. Shatner is right. He's a good director but he ain't no star Trek writer., and neither are any of the other keystone cops team. Trek is about profound ideas and concepts and giant questions. Trek '09 was a giant goose egg. Trek has turned into Humpty Dumpty.
Lemme guess... you're from Staten Island, aren't you?
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Old February 14 2013, 07:14 PM   #37
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Generations = Terrible
First Contact = Good
Insurrection = /Vomits
Nemesis = Mindless Action

I never said I damned JJ's Films, Star Trek is Star Wars with Captain Kirk.
x 10000000000000000

I would say much much more but I don't want to blatantly insult you.
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Old February 14 2013, 07:21 PM   #38
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Just wait until Abrams reboots TEKWAR . . .
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Old February 14 2013, 07:26 PM   #39
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First Contact was good because the Story not the Borg Cube Battle or fist fights. Not great but good. "A line must be drawn!"
You mean Picard is allowed to get emotional because the Borg hurt him but Kirk and Spock aren't allowed to be emotional because Nero killed a parent of each one and destroyed a world inhabited by six billion beings?

I found the Borg portion of First Contact tedious and guilty of rehashing issues that had already been resolved during the TV series.
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Old February 14 2013, 07:37 PM   #40
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I know they have met once or twice, but I'd seriously love to know if Shatner has ever taken Chris Pine out for Sushi.
Oh God,I hope this isn't some weird new euphemism!
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Old February 14 2013, 09:50 PM   #41
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... was focused around Exploration, Interpersonal Relations and Ethical Debates.
Yeah, Star Trek almost didn't get on the air in the first place because it had too much of that and not enough explosions and stuff.
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Old February 14 2013, 09:59 PM   #42
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I know they have met once or twice, but I'd seriously love to know if Shatner has ever taken Chris Pine out for Sushi.
Oh God,I hope this isn't some weird new euphemism!


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Old February 14 2013, 10:02 PM   #43
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Don't be silly, you should go watch or rewatch some Star Trek episodes, of some of them do. I am surprised someone on this sight didn't know that there were explosions in "old" or real Star Trek. They do a great job of accenting the story usually.

The first Movie is not really Star Trek like and the second isn't measuring up to be either.
They said that about Wrath of Khan in '82. Just read "Indiana Skywaker Meets the Son of Star Trek" in Best of Trek #7.
I them them to explore strange new places, seek out new life and new civilizations and boldly go where no man has gone before. This one takes place on Earth where they have to stop a dangerous new enemy that threats to destroy the... Ect Ect.
In just the first nine minutes of Into Darkness, we meet new aliens on a strange new world, which Kirk and crew are saving from extinction.

One could also argue that Earth is a "strange new world" in Trek. 45 years and all we've ever seen is a couple of military installations and sleepy back streets. I want to see what life is like for those who aren't quasi-military space explorers in the 23rd century.
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Old February 14 2013, 10:10 PM   #44
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Don't be silly...
I wasn't.

...you should go watch or rewatch some Star Trek episodes...
No, I don't have to do that. I've seen them all already and know what's in them.

The first Movie is not really Star Trek like and the second isn't measuring up to be either.
That's your opinion, which I beg to differ. Star Trek '09 was pure Star Trek, bringing back the original characters and all the fun of TOS, but with a new cast and an incredibly larger budget.

I them them to explore strange new places, seek out new life and new civilizations and boldly go where no man has gone before. This one takes place on Earth where they have to stop a dangerous new enemy that threats to destroy the... Ect Ect.
You, like the rest of us, have no clue what this movie is about. Maybe you should wait and actually watch the film in May before passing judgment on it.
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Old February 14 2013, 10:21 PM   #45
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like most jokes there is some kernel of truth...
Who told you that? 'Taint so and ain't the point.
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