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Old February 14 2013, 03:15 AM   #16
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Re: William Shatner Calls J.J. Abrams "a Pig" for Hogging Both Star Tr

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Abrams should have Shatner play a Jedi in Episode VII.
Or play Kirk. Star Wars, JJ's Star Trek... Who can tell the difference.

Wouldn't it be something if Star Wars 7 was focused around Exploration, Interpersonal Relations and Ethical Debates.

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Old February 14 2013, 04:36 AM   #17
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Oh yeah that would be awesome. I sooooo miss those meetings. What is Star Trek without a really big table.
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Old February 14 2013, 12:07 PM   #18
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Abrams should have Shatner play a Jedi in Episode VII.
Or play Kirk. Star Wars, JJ's Star Trek... Who can tell the difference.

Wouldn't it be something if Star Wars 7 was focused around Exploration, Interpersonal Relations and Ethical Debates.
People really have a tough time telling TV show structure from movies. The above works great on TV when you have fifteen to eighteen hours to fill. It doesn't work when you are making a two-hour film designed to sell tickets. People go to the movies for the larger-than-life spectacle.
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Old February 14 2013, 03:26 PM   #19
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Exploration, Interpersonal Relations and Ethical Debates.
People really have a tough time telling TV show structure from movies. The above works great on TV when you have fifteen to eighteen hours to fill. It doesn't work when you are making a two-hour film designed to sell tickets. People go to the movies for the larger-than-life spectacle.[/QUOTE]
That is a bad joke right?

You are aware that there are movies that don't have explosions as their main theme?

There is a difference between smart and dumb entertainment, guess which side of that fence the new Star Trek is angling for.
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Old February 14 2013, 03:43 PM   #20
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There is a difference between smart and dumb entertainment, guess which side of that fence the new Star Trek is angling for.
Yeah, because old Star Trek never had explosions or anything.
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Old February 14 2013, 03:50 PM   #21
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Yeah, because old Star Trek never had explosions or anything.
Don't be silly, you should go watch or rewatch some Star Trek episodes, of some of them do. I am surprised someone on this sight didn't know that there were explosions in "old" or real Star Trek. They do a great job of accenting the story usually.

The first Movie is not really Star Trek like and the second isn't measuring up to be either.

I them them to explore strange new places, seek out new life and new civilizations and boldly go where no man has gone before. This one takes place on Earth where they have to stop a dangerous new enemy that threats to destroy the... Ect Ect.
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Old February 14 2013, 04:32 PM   #22
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I them them to explore strange new places, seek out new life and new civilizations and boldly go where no man has gone before. This one takes place on Earth where they have to stop a dangerous new enemy that threats to destroy the... Ect Ect.
I'm well known for my negative views on Abrams, but I don't believe in putting Prime Trek on a pedestal, unless I'm doing one of my anti-Abrams rants in the Trek XI forum.

Not very much of Star Trek is about exploring, despite the catchphrase "to boldly go where no man/one has gone before." TOS and TNG had the Enterprise and crew going on Starfleet assigned missions, DS9 was a space station dealing with internal issues, Voyager was about getting home. Enterprise was about pure exploration, until its viewers disappeared than they went on a mission of combat and finally the show became continuity masturbation until the plug was pulled.

None of the ten Prime movies were about exploration at all. In fact, only the last two were even about aliens who never appeared on the TV shows. Although dialogue indicates that these aliens were already known to the Federation despite being new to the audiences.

Now, I don't think Abrams is taking Trek in the right direction, but not because there's a lack of exploration, because XI just isn't a good movie. It's a lazy and meaningless popcorn flick. Into Darkness looks better, but it would be nice if some information was made available instead of this silly shroud of secrecy Abrams insists on doing everything in.
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Old February 14 2013, 04:46 PM   #23
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Shatner has a sense of humor. It wouldn't hurt a lot of trekkies to emulate their Captain.
This should probably be quoted for emphasis at least once on every page of every thread where Shatner's name appears.
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Old February 14 2013, 04:54 PM   #24
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Yeah, I can't say I "get" Shatner's sense of humor, but that's what this is.
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Old February 14 2013, 05:49 PM   #25
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He may be joking around, but like most jokes there is some kernel of truth in it.
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Old February 14 2013, 05:52 PM   #26
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You are aware that there are movies that don't have explosions as their main theme?
Very few movies costing $200 million dollars get bankrolled these days without the requisite combat and explosions.


There is a difference between smart and dumb entertainment, guess which side of that fence the new Star Trek is angling for.
There's some smart and some dumb Star Trek and much that falls in between those two distinctions. Star Trek 2009 falls somewhere in between.
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Old February 14 2013, 06:02 PM   #27
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There's some smart and some dumb Star Trek and much that falls in between those two distinctions. Star Trek 2009 falls somewhere in between.
That somewhere would Star Wars. Star Wars is good in its own right but it isn't Star Trek.

I do like the part where Spock flies his X-Wing into the Death Star before it destroys earth though.
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Old February 14 2013, 06:11 PM   #28
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There's always a bit of truth behind every joke. I have no doubt that Shatner is jealous of JJ, and a little ticked off at him for not finding a way to put him in either of JJ's Star Trek movies. Yeah, he's joking, but knowing his past behavior there's a different agenda here than just a joke.


Shatner: (muttering) Damn you, damn you for stealing my thunder!
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Old February 14 2013, 06:35 PM   #29
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'I just have one thing to say. You're anscestors are all pig-apes'

The Palistinian president Abdinijad? or one of the axis of evil country presidents..
anyway,
It's safe to say they're both pig-apes, that's for sure, but where is hitler when you really need him. Nimoy sold the original old universe out anyway I guess as a farewell FU to the fans. So that's what the Vulcan salute really means. Shatner is right. He's a good director but he ain't no star Trek writer., and neither are any of the other keystone cops team. Trek is about profound ideas and concepts and giant questions. Trek '09 was a giant goose egg. Trek has turned into Humpty Dumpty.
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Old February 14 2013, 06:39 PM   #30
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Trek is about profound ideas and concepts and giant questions. Trek '09 was a giant goose egg. Trek has turned into Humpty Dumpty.
You must've missed the one where the captain fights the guy in the lizard suit, missed the one where the security chief was abducted by the planet of black people, missed the one where the crew played a live action board game, missed the one where the captain played out fantasies in Old Ireland, missed the one where the captain's dog pissed on a tree...

Do I really need to go on?
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