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Old February 12 2013, 04:50 PM   #31
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Re: What episodes of TNG should I watch before First Contact?

..and you should watch the TOS episode 'Metamorphosis' too, for some background on Cochrane.
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Old February 12 2013, 07:15 PM   #32
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Re: What episodes of TNG should I watch before First Contact?

You only have to watch, Q Who? an Best of both worlds 1&2, and family.
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Old February 13 2013, 09:06 AM   #33
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You only have to watch, Q Who? an Best of both worlds 1&2, and family.
You actually don't even 'have to watch' those. We were all (I hope) having a bit of fun.
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Old February 14 2013, 03:58 AM   #34
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Re: What episodes of TNG should I watch before First Contact?

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Q Who

Best of Both Worlds
Best of Both Worlds part 2


You should eventually check out the rest of TNG since it is a very good show.
I think I'm going to watch Q Who, Best of Both Worlds pts. I and II, and First Contact this weekend.
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Old February 15 2013, 01:23 PM   #35
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Re: What episodes of TNG should I watch before First Contact?

Good choice!

And then you are going to watch all of DS9

We were all (I hope) having a bit of fun.
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Old February 17 2013, 02:12 PM   #36
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Re: What episodes of TNG should I watch before First Contact?

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There's nothing you can watch that will prepare you for Generations . Up until 2009, it was the worst Star Trek movie.
I loved Generations. The opening part is fantastic, I loved the soundtrack. Thought Stewart's acting in relation to what happens to his family was awesome.
I too enjoyed Generations, it was fun and infinitely better than Star Trek V, which was woeful.

Also, I don't think you'd necessarily have to watch any specific TNG episodes before watching First Contact. First Contact was my first real exposure to TNG and got me interested in the series. Its also a good place to start for new fans of the franchise - its a great movie and it depicts First Contact between Human and Vulcan, setting the stage for everything else.
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Old February 19 2013, 01:08 PM   #37
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Yeah. While I always recommend people have to watch Space Seed before Wrath of Khan, people could watch First Contact without seeing any TNG eps. If anything it would make the film more enjoyable as they wouldn't notice a few of the bigger plotholes in regards to continuity.

Watched First Contact again a few weeks ago. Hugely flawed but also highly enjoyable .
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Old February 19 2013, 01:53 PM   #38
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Watched First Contact again a few weeks ago. Hugely flawed but also highly enjoyable .
Yet you wonder how people can enjoy Star Trek 2009. Your statement above is exactly how I feel about that movie.
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Old February 19 2013, 06:18 PM   #39
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Yeah. While I always recommend people have to watch Space Seed before Wrath of Khan, people could watch First Contact without seeing any TNG eps.
I don't feel like Space Seed is required viewing before seeing TWOK. All you need to know about Khan and his followers is spelled out for you when you meet them, and that he hates Kirk (intensely obvious). In fact, the reveal that Khan is even on the planet in the first place is intensified because you don't know the significance of Seti Alpha V.

A good script, especially film script, assumes nothing about the viewer and is able to engage both those familiar with the work as well as those unfamiliar. TWOK (and Star Trek '09) are examples of genre films that can be enjoyed by someone who had never seen an episode of Star Trek in their life.
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Old February 19 2013, 06:57 PM   #40
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Audiences can understand TWoK perfectly without having seen Space Seed (I saw the movie before I'd seen a single episode of TOS!), but it really does enhance the experience having seen Kirk and Khan interact face to face.

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Yet you wonder how people can enjoy Star Trek 2009. Your statement above is exactly how I feel about that movie.
Both are probably solid dumb popcorn movies that appeal to a wider audience much more than they do fans, who get bothered by the huge holes.
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Old February 19 2013, 07:07 PM   #41
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Yeah. While I always recommend people have to watch Space Seed before Wrath of Khan, people could watch First Contact without seeing any TNG eps. If anything it would make the film more enjoyable as they wouldn't notice a few of the bigger plotholes in regards to continuity.
I feel the opposite, actually. As great as Wrath of Khan is, the conflict was basically manufactured for the purpose of the film, and really only has a tenuous link to the events of Space Seed. By the end of that episode, you'd never guess what Khan was going to turn into. They had to add an exploding planet to the mix off-screen in order to arrive where they did.

The events of First Contact have FAR more connection to the previously established plot threads of Best of Both Worlds. You can see the effect that the Borg had on Picard in episodes like Family and The Drumhead, so the central conflict doesn't come out of nowhere.
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Old February 19 2013, 07:11 PM   #42
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Agreed there but if a viewer were to fully catch up with I, Borg and The Descent 2-parter they'd be appropriately baffled as to why Starfleet is now worried that Picard is unfit for facing them. Or why Picard is suddenly so pissed at them, having been fairly cool and non-chalant in the previous 2 Borg stories.

It's full of holes but I'd still probably rank First Contact as the third or fourth best Star Trek film.
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Old February 20 2013, 01:00 AM   #43
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It's full of holes but I'd still probably rank First Contact as the third or fourth best Star Trek film.
For the uninitiated viewer, they would not recognize the holes (as we have all previously agreed to).

For the seasoned viewer, it takes very simple rationalization, as has been done in this thread and others, to resolve the plot holes of Picard being thought of by Starfleet Command as being unfit for the task of battling the Borg as portrayed in this film.

In fact, as far as the film is concerned, Picard's actions should allay any fears in the future of his ability to battle the Borg: he is the best man for the job. Exactly as Riker pointed out in the beginning of the film. It was Starfleet Command (specifically: Admiral Hayes) who disagreed, and were proven wrong.
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