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Old February 10 2013, 11:13 PM   #91
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Re: Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion

I'm one of those who want to go strictly off the evidence from the new films and comics, and have thus concluded that the Abrahmsverse was always a parallel universe, not only after 2233 was the filmmakers intent. This lends even more evidence to that theory.
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Old February 12 2013, 01:45 PM   #92
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I'm one of those who want to go strictly off the evidence from the new films and comics, and have thus concluded that the Abrahmsverse was always a parallel universe, not only after 2233 was the filmmakers intent. This lends even more evidence to that theory.
I'm afraid it very much doesn't. No matter how far you go back, there is no quirk of the multiverse that would explain how an indigenous civilization 6000 years old would be replaced or recreated by such a close facsimilie caused by a Starfleet ship crashing there 100 years ago.
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Old February 12 2013, 02:50 PM   #93
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I'm afraid it very much doesn't. No matter how far you go back, there is no quirk of the multiverse that would explain how an indigenous civilization 6000 years old would be replaced or recreated by such a close facsimilie caused by a Starfleet ship crashing there 100 years ago.
But Christopher already explained it: The civilisation is 100 years in both universes. Kirk Prime just was told a false story.
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Old February 12 2013, 03:21 PM   #94
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^Exactly. As I said, just because something was claimed and believed by all the characters in an episode, that doesn't guarantee that it's actually true. What the comic is evidently claiming is that what we thought was the case in "The Return of the Archons" was actually a lie, and that Kirk Prime just never uncovered the truth.

And let's face it, the comic's interpretation does explain why this supposedly alien civilization has 12-hour clocks with Arabic numerals and has fashions and architecture that exactly match historical American designs.
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Old February 12 2013, 05:57 PM   #95
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Haven't others said there's more to the differences than just Kirk Prime not digging deep enough? I don't know because I've not read it either, but I thought someone had breifly talked about other big differences that can't line up.
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Old February 12 2013, 06:13 PM   #96
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There seems to no disbelief by Reger and the other gentlemen with him when Kirk says they come from the valley. So this would be indicative of more than one settlement on Beta III
But they never mention exactly what is IN the valley. It doesn't have to be another city or settlement. There could be other reasons why people would be out there. Especially if Landru had so indoctrinated the population that they didn't think to question anything at all (even those who weren't of the Body).
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Old February 15 2013, 06:58 PM   #97
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I posted this over in the XI+ thread, but I figured it would be of interest here too:

Possible spoiler from the cover of Star Trek Ongoing #21, set AFTER Star Trek Into Darkness.

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Old February 16 2013, 02:04 AM   #98
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^Spock's uiform on backwards / picture image reversed
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Old February 16 2013, 04:36 AM   #99
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Old February 17 2013, 01:07 AM   #100
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LOL, they were lied to in the Original Series.

Hey, they could introduce a new Khan, the real one. The Khan in the Original Series was just an impostor.
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Old February 19 2013, 04:03 AM   #101
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StarTrek.com has a preview of issue 2.

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Old February 19 2013, 05:43 AM   #102
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Old February 19 2013, 03:06 PM   #103
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Old February 19 2013, 04:27 PM   #104
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Hence why I gave the years I did.
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I'm going with this comic being in early to mid 2259 (based on the stardate given in the 10-minute preview of STID).

My thought is that April's Enterprise in this universe was the ringship version. However, maybe in this universe, he was given command in 2233 or some point soon after. Perhaps the ship was upgraded after the Kelvin's destruction and it served as more than a spaceliner.
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