Interesting Cumberbatch Character theory - Page 3

sonak · February 10 2013, 08:32 PM

Cumberbatch is Harcourt Mudd. You heard it here first.

Franklin · February 10 2013, 09:11 PM

sonak wrote:

Cumberbatch is Harcourt Mudd. You heard it here first.

And he's been taking the Venus drug.

Photoman15 · February 10 2013, 10:50 PM

bigdaddy wrote:

Ryan8bit wrote:

Why does "Voyage into the new Star Trek Kirk & Khan" make it sound like Fantastic Voyage?

From the OP article:

If Abrams pulls the rug out from under moviegoers and the villain is revealed to be utterly unrelated to Khan, there will be a letdown, even for fans indifferent to it being Khan

I'm pretty sure fans who are indifferent by definition don't really care who it is. And even if he isn't Khan, is anybody here actually going to be let down?

Guarding by the trailers the movie just looks like a massive letdown. It could be Khan, it could be Joe Bob Smith, the trailers make the movie look silly.

You know, I think you're the only person who thinks this. (That I've heard from)

Litmus · February 11 2013, 01:43 AM

Yes, I think this is most likely, too. Remember how Kirk's quick thinking saved Khan from a malfunctioning cryogenic chamber in "Space Seed?" What if a different starship (not Enterprise) encountered Botany Bay in the new timeline? What if Khan dies because the captain who finds him isn't as quick? What if, for that matter, the augments either overtake that unlucky starship--or lay low and quietly assimilate--before hatching a plan to wreak havoc once they have a better lay of the land? John Harrison is probably from the same group--but just nastier (and more successful) than Khan.

Franklin · February 11 2013, 03:20 PM

Another denial that it's Khan. This one from Alice Eve at the BAFTAs.

This is the link. February 10 on trekmovie.com:

http://trekmovie.com/2013/02/10/eve-...e-from-baftas/

FlapJoy · February 16 2013, 12:00 AM

I often wonder, had they cast Benicio Del Toro as Cumberbatch's character, as it would seem Del Toro was an early choice; and now we would be seeing Del Toro doing all the things and saying all the lines we've been privy to in the trailers, AND THEN, we were told that it's not Kahn, but a guy named John Harrison, it would be easy to say: "Fuck that, he's Kahn, no doubt about it"....

I think it's all a red herring, I would even go so far as to speculate that even the early casting consideration of Del Toro was itself part of the misdirection... perhaps he was never in the running, but leaking the news of his possible casting (and other actors of latin descent) would had all the buzz on Kahn before the movie is even made, making any actual "non-Kahn" plot that bigger of a twist and surprise.

I think this film is more about nationalism, terrorism, capitalism, a post-Vulcan weakened Federation, conspiracy, an anti-Starfleet movement, and Klingons. I believe the Klingons are playing a much bigger role in this plot. While Kahn can easily be a villain to facilitate all those themes, in my mind, it's mostly subterfuge.

---And if Del Toro was in the running, he could easily pass as a believable "ridgless" Klingon of the TOS era, perhaps the true Harrison is an altered Klingon sleeper agent. (crazy right?) Merely playful speculation on my part.---

SalvorHardin · February 16 2013, 12:21 AM

FlapJoy wrote:

and now we would be seeing Del Toro doing all the things and saying all the lines we've been privy to in the trailers,

You probably wouldn't. They've said that after casting Cumberbatch they went back and specifically tailored the role for him.

FlapJoy · February 16 2013, 01:07 AM

SalvorHardin wrote:

FlapJoy wrote:

and now we would be seeing Del Toro doing all the things and saying all the lines we've been privy to in the trailers,

You probably wouldn't. They've said that after casting Cumberbatch they went back and specifically tailored the role for him.

Yeah, like making his character a white English guy, but much of the characters motivations might remain much the same. I wouldn't think JJ and crew would think Cumberbatch is perfect for the role already created only to alter it drastically.

Sindatur · February 16 2013, 01:18 AM

FlapJoy wrote:

SalvorHardin wrote:

FlapJoy wrote:

and now we would be seeing Del Toro doing all the things and saying all the lines we've been privy to in the trailers,

You probably wouldn't. They've said that after casting Cumberbatch they went back and specifically tailored the role for him.

Yeah, like making his character a white English guy, but much of the characters motivations might remain much the same. I wouldn't think JJ and crew would think Cumberbatch is perfect for the role already created only to alter it drastically.

IIRC, they said something to the effect of "they didn't change the role, they merely changed some dialogue that fit Cumberbatch as an actor better" or something similar.

Sector 7 · February 16 2013, 08:37 PM

JJ Abrams has always loved his "mystery box" of secrecy. However, to date, he has never lied nor misinformed his viewers in promoting his projects. Combined with the denial of Alice Eve, I believe Khan is not Cumberbatch's character. Everything else is up for grabs.

Nero's Shadow · February 17 2013, 12:47 AM

sonak wrote:

Cumberbatch is Harcourt Mudd. You heard it here first.

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR VULCAN MIND !!!!

theskulltrail · February 17 2013, 05:49 PM

I have no doubt that April is in the movie and now I am pretty sure that BC is playing ... Yes ... An deaged April ... Cause I could have find the way how he deaged himself! And what is needed?! Yes Carol Marcus! As she is developing Genesis and we learned that Prime Spock was reborn more or less through it in ST3, BC/April uses Genisis for deage him and help his ill member of family! And in the end Carol Marcus saves the Day as Chris Pine told us in an former interview! Weller is maybe as mentioned before Admiral Marcus as he is the One which operates against his daughter and helps April in some way maybe! It was also mentioned with the New Vulcan colony would be Part of the movie so I feel thats not the strangest theory!

CorporalClegg · February 17 2013, 08:42 PM

Awesome!

Now I can change the moniker to Garth-Mitchell-April-Mudd-Khan-Harrison-Batman. What a mouthful.

RAMA · February 17 2013, 11:26 PM

Cumberbatch is playing Alan Turing in an upcoming movie...cool.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2013/...ch-alan-turing

RAMA

Set Harth · February 18 2013, 12:50 PM

The character may go by "Turing" but we all know it's really KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNN

February 10 2013, 08:32 PM	#31
sonak Rear Admiral Location: in a figment of a mediocre mind's imagination	Re: Interesting Cumberbatch Character theory Cumberbatch is Harcourt Mudd. You heard it here first.

February 11 2013, 01:43 AM	#34
Litmus Cadet	Re: Interesting Cumberbatch Character theory Yes, I think this is most likely, too. Remember how Kirk's quick thinking saved Khan from a malfunctioning cryogenic chamber in "Space Seed?" What if a different starship (not Enterprise) encountered Botany Bay in the new timeline? What if Khan dies because the captain who finds him isn't as quick? What if, for that matter, the augments either overtake that unlucky starship--or lay low and quietly assimilate--before hatching a plan to wreak havoc once they have a better lay of the land? John Harrison is probably from the same group--but just nastier (and more successful) than Khan.

February 11 2013, 03:20 PM	#35
Franklin Rear Admiral Location: In the bleachers	Re: Interesting Cumberbatch Character theory Another denial that it's Khan. This one from Alice Eve at the BAFTAs. This is the link. February 10 on trekmovie.com: http://trekmovie.com/2013/02/10/eve-...e-from-baftas/ __________________ Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain

February 16 2013, 12:00 AM	#36
FlapJoy Lieutenant Commander Location: Unhooked.	Re: Interesting Cumberbatch Character theory I often wonder, had they cast Benicio Del Toro as Cumberbatch's character, as it would seem Del Toro was an early choice; and now we would be seeing Del Toro doing all the things and saying all the lines we've been privy to in the trailers, AND THEN, we were told that it's not Kahn, but a guy named John Harrison, it would be easy to say: "Fuck that, he's Kahn, no doubt about it".... I think it's all a red herring, I would even go so far as to speculate that even the early casting consideration of Del Toro was itself part of the misdirection... perhaps he was never in the running, but leaking the news of his possible casting (and other actors of latin descent) would had all the buzz on Kahn before the movie is even made, making any actual "non-Kahn" plot that bigger of a twist and surprise. I think this film is more about nationalism, terrorism, capitalism, a post-Vulcan weakened Federation, conspiracy, an anti-Starfleet movement, and Klingons. I believe the Klingons are playing a much bigger role in this plot. While Kahn can easily be a villain to facilitate all those themes, in my mind, it's mostly subterfuge. ---And if Del Toro was in the running, he could easily pass as a believable "ridgless" Klingon of the TOS era, perhaps the true Harrison is an altered Klingon sleeper agent. (crazy right?) Merely playful speculation on my part.--- __________________ http://flapjoy.deviantart.com/

February 16 2013, 08:37 PM	#40
Sector 7 Rear Admiral Location: Obama's Achievements - http://obamaachievements.org/list	Re: Interesting Cumberbatch Character theory JJ Abrams has always loved his "mystery box" of secrecy. However, to date, he has never lied nor misinformed his viewers in promoting his projects. Combined with the denial of Alice Eve, I believe Khan is not Cumberbatch's character. Everything else is up for grabs. __________________ “The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.” -FDR God gives us what we can handle, even if we don't believe it ourselves.

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February 17 2013, 05:49 PM	#42
theskulltrail Cadet	Re: Interesting Cumberbatch Character theory I have no doubt that April is in the movie and now I am pretty sure that BC is playing ... Yes ... An deaged April ... Cause I could have find the way how he deaged himself! And what is needed?! Yes Carol Marcus! As she is developing Genesis and we learned that Prime Spock was reborn more or less through it in ST3, BC/April uses Genisis for deage him and help his ill member of family! And in the end Carol Marcus saves the Day as Chris Pine told us in an former interview! Weller is maybe as mentioned before Admiral Marcus as he is the One which operates against his daughter and helps April in some way maybe! It was also mentioned with the New Vulcan colony would be Part of the movie so I feel thats not the strangest theory!

February 17 2013, 08:42 PM	#43
CorporalClegg Vice Admiral Location: Nuevo México	Re: Interesting Cumberbatch Character theory Awesome! Now I can change the moniker to Garth-Mitchell-April-Mudd-Khan-Harrison-Batman. What a mouthful.

February 17 2013, 11:26 PM	#44
RAMA Vice Admiral Location: NJ, USA	Re: Interesting Cumberbatch Character theory Cumberbatch is playing Alan Turing in an upcoming movie...cool. http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2013/...ch-alan-turing RAMA __________________ “Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.”—Stephen R. Covey

February 18 2013, 12:50 PM	#45
Set Harth Commodore Location: Ekkaia	Re: Interesting Cumberbatch Character theory The character may go by "Turing" but we all know it's really KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNN __________________ Are you casting aspersions on my asparagus?