RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 138,244
Posts: 5,348,384
Members: 24,611
Currently online: 658
Newest member: Tiberius Kirk

TrekToday headlines

Insight Editions Announces Three Trek Books For 2015
By: T'Bonz on Jul 24

To Be Takei Review by Spencer Blohm
By: T'Bonz on Jul 24

Mulgrew: Playing Red
By: T'Bonz on Jul 24

Hallmark 2015 Trek Ornaments
By: T'Bonz on Jul 24

Funko Mini Spock
By: T'Bonz on Jul 23

IDW Publishing Comic Preview
By: T'Bonz on Jul 23

A Baby For Saldana
By: T'Bonz on Jul 23

Klingon Beer Arrives In The US
By: T'Bonz on Jul 22

Star Trek: Prelude To Axanar
By: T'Bonz on Jul 22

Abrams Announces Star Wars: Force For Change Sweepstakes
By: T'Bonz on Jul 22


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Misc. Star Trek > Trek Tech

Trek Tech Pass me the quantum flux regulator, will you?

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old February 10 2013, 02:13 AM   #16
Robert Comsol
Commodore
 
Robert Comsol's Avatar
 
Location: shore leave in La Baule, France
Re: Phaser banks on the Constitution class

King Daniel wrote: View Post
TAS has been referenced in Deep Space Nine, Enterprise, the remastered TOS and a great deal in JJ Abrams' Star Trek. I'd say that makes it as much part of the universe as any of the other series'.
I think these life support belt EVA suit replacements have been somewhat counter-productive implementing TAS into the bigger picture. On the other hand TAS seems to have inspired the intermix chamber coil of TMP.

Bob
__________________
"The first duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth" Jean-Luc Picard
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein
Robert Comsol is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 10 2013, 04:15 AM   #17
blssdwlf
Commodore
 
Re: Phaser banks on the Constitution class

King Daniel wrote: View Post
TAS has been referenced in Deep Space Nine, Enterprise, the remastered TOS and a great deal in JJ Abrams' Star Trek. I'd say that makes it as much part of the universe as any of the other series'.
Okay, where has DS9, Enterprise, and the remastered TOS reference TAS?
blssdwlf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 10 2013, 04:16 AM   #18
GSchnitzer
Co-Executive Producer
 
GSchnitzer's Avatar
 
Location: Gaithersburg, Maryland, USA, Terra
Send a message via AIM to GSchnitzer Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to GSchnitzer Send a message via Yahoo to GSchnitzer
Re: Phaser banks on the Constitution class

If anyone is interested, I grabbed screen shots of every phaser and torpedo fire. Find them here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1090112...th/4842414868/

__________________
Greg Schnitzer
Co-Executive Producer
Star Trek Phase II
http://www.startrekphase2.com
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3348883/
GSchnitzer is online now   Reply With Quote
Old February 10 2013, 04:18 AM   #19
blssdwlf
Commodore
 
Re: Phaser banks on the Constitution class

Vanyel wrote: View Post
So the Constitution class had never shown dorsal phasers. Assuming TAS is canon, they do. I'm not trying to open up Pandora's Box, but isn't TAS not considered canon?
TOS never showed the port, starboard, midships and aft phasers, either. Are you asking if the ship has a giant blind spot shooting upwards or are you just trying to pin down where the phaser emplacements are?
blssdwlf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 10 2013, 04:19 AM   #20
CorporalCaptain
Vice Admiral
 
CorporalCaptain's Avatar
 
Location: Kentucky
Re: Phaser banks on the Constitution class

blssdwlf wrote: View Post
King Daniel wrote: View Post
TAS has been referenced in Deep Space Nine, Enterprise, the remastered TOS and a great deal in JJ Abrams' Star Trek. I'd say that makes it as much part of the universe as any of the other series'.
Okay, where has DS9, Enterprise, and the remastered TOS reference TAS?
See http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Star...tionable_canon for an enumeration.

---

GSchnitzer wrote: View Post
If anyone is interested, I grabbed screen shots of every phaser and torpedo fire. Find them here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1090112...th/4842414868/
Nice.
__________________
John
CorporalCaptain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 10 2013, 04:33 AM   #21
blssdwlf
Commodore
 
Re: Phaser banks on the Constitution class

@CorporalCaptain - Thanks for the link. I was wondering how they snuck in TAS references into the re-mastered TOS. They replaced the Woden and added a visual for Ramart's ship. It doesn't seem like Commodore April was referenced too much outside of TAS though. Oh well.
blssdwlf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 10 2013, 04:40 AM   #22
CorporalCaptain
Vice Admiral
 
CorporalCaptain's Avatar
 
Location: Kentucky
Re: Phaser banks on the Constitution class

^ The probable appearance of ShiKahr in TOS-R: Amok Time is one of the most dramatic references.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Shi'Kahr

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/File...remastered.jpg

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Amok...ed_information
__________________
John
CorporalCaptain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 10 2013, 05:23 AM   #23
blssdwlf
Commodore
 
Re: Phaser banks on the Constitution class

@CorporalCaptain - So mostly subtle cosmetic changes. I guess that's the only way they could've sneaked it in without altering dialogue.
blssdwlf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 10 2013, 08:14 AM   #24
Vanyel
The Imperious Leader
 
Vanyel's Avatar
 
Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Phaser banks on the Constitution class

blssdwlf wrote: View Post
Vanyel wrote: View Post
So the Constitution class had never shown dorsal phasers. Assuming TAS is canon, they do. I'm not trying to open up Pandora's Box, but isn't TAS not considered canon?
TOS never showed the port, starboard, midships and aft phasers, either. Are you asking if the ship has a giant blind spot shooting upwards or are you just trying to pin down where the phaser emplacements are?
Port, starboard, midships and aft are mentioned, being mentioned means they are there. Where exactly is the question for those phasers. You, I believe, brought up they were mentioned in dialogue.

TAS would seem to be canon, or at least reference material; or "Questionable Canon" as Memory Alpha puts it in the links previously provided.

However, In A Mirror, Darkly only showed the ventral phasers and the aft phasers providing dorsal shots. The Defiant in that episode even tilts to one side to fire torpedoes at the ship attacking her dorsal side. If there was ever a time for dorsal phasers on the saucer to fire, that would have been the time.

So yes, where are the emitters?
__________________
Imogene, get serious! Who do you think you're talking to?! I've known you for 27 years, and all I can say is, if God was giving out sexually transmitted diseases to people as a punishment for sinning, then you would be at the free clinic all the time! And so would the rest of us!
--Julia Sugarbaker
Vanyel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 10 2013, 01:30 PM   #25
King Daniel Into Darkness
Admiral
 
King Daniel Into Darkness's Avatar
 
Location: England again
Re: Phaser banks on the Constitution class

blssdwlf wrote: View Post
It doesn't seem like Commodore April was referenced too much outside of TAS though. Oh well.
April was mentioned in on-screen text in the Defiant's computer in "In a Mirror, Darkly"

And also...
__________________
Star Trek Imponderables, fun mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors! Ep1, Ep2 and Ep3
King Daniel Into Darkness is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 10 2013, 05:35 PM   #26
blssdwlf
Commodore
 
Re: Phaser banks on the Constitution class

Vanyel wrote: View Post
Port, starboard, midships and aft are mentioned, being mentioned means they are there. Where exactly is the question for those phasers. You, I believe, brought up they were mentioned in dialogue.

TAS would seem to be canon, or at least reference material; or "Questionable Canon" as Memory Alpha puts it in the links previously provided.

However, In A Mirror, Darkly only showed the ventral phasers and the aft phasers providing dorsal shots. The Defiant in that episode even tilts to one side to fire torpedoes at the ship attacking her dorsal side. If there was ever a time for dorsal phasers on the saucer to fire, that would have been the time.

So yes, where are the emitters?
After taking a look at "In A Mirror, Darkly" I think you're going to have a different answer depending on which TOS continuity you're looking at.

TOS:
  • Phasers in dialogue:
  1. "Balance of Terror": Forward, Port, Starboard and Midship (actual locations unknown)
  2. "Arena": Aft (actual locations unknown)
  • Phasers seen:
  1. Most episodes: Majority beams firing from the forward ventral saucer area.
  2. "Balance of Terror", "Errand of Mercy": Pulses firing from forward and starboard ventral saucer area
  3. "The Doomsday Machine": phaser firing from "port side" of the ventral saucer dome.
TOS-Remastered
  • Phasers in dialogue (same as TOS)
  • Phasers seen (standardized to the same forward ventral saucer section on the lower dome except for...)
    1. "The Doomsday Machine": two saucer forward dorsal phasers fire at DDM from Enterprise
Enterprise series
  • Phasers in dialogue
    • "In A Mirror Darkly" - forward emitters
  • Phasers seen
    • "In A Mirror Darkly"
      • aft phaser emitters visible and fired
      • two forward ventral saucer phaser emitters visible and fired. they later are no longer visible in later battle. they are positioned higher than on the TOS-Remastered version.
      • no visible dorsal emitters on saucer
TAS - the dorsal firing as mentioned by Timo.

Regarding "In A Mirror Darkly" - the aft phasers firing direction pretty much tells us where the enemy ship is so when it is pitching up to fire torpedoes the torpedoes are still having to hook a turn towards the target from what I can tell. The lack of dorsal saucer emitters suggest no phasers there, but curiously the forward ventral emitters that were present in the dock are no longer visible in that same battle. Did the emitters hide themselves once the ship was operational again? If yes, then that could suggest dorsal saucer emitters that were hidden and the aft phasers might have been used because they had a better LOS, IMHO. If no, then there are no dorsal saucer emitters in the Enterprise-series USS Defiant.

But, there are dorsal saucer emitters in TOS-Remastered.
blssdwlf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 10 2013, 08:44 PM   #27
Albertese
Commodore
 
Albertese's Avatar
 
Location: Portland, OR
Re: Phaser banks on the Constitution class

Interesting. I did a quick analysis of the image from the remastered version of "Doomsday Machine" trying to figure out where those phaser beams are coming from. They're clearly not coming from the dorsal surface.




--Alex
__________________
Check out my website: www.goldtoothstudio.squarespace.com

Last edited by Albertese; February 10 2013 at 08:59 PM.
Albertese is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 10 2013, 09:21 PM   #28
Timo
Admiral
 
Re: Phaser banks on the Constitution class

Or the left beam is coming from a forward (close, TMP style) pair of ventral emitters, and the right one is coming from a portside close pair.

A bit of tracking across several consecutive screencaps would be useful here...

Timo Saloniemi
Timo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 10 2013, 11:07 PM   #29
blssdwlf
Commodore
 
Re: Phaser banks on the Constitution class

@Albertese - good catch! But wasn't the whole thing about TOS-Remastered was the standardization of where the phasers come from? Since it could not have been from the bottom ventral spot just forward of the lower dome then wouldn't this be a deviation?

I'll have to watch it again tonight to take a look.
blssdwlf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 11 2013, 12:13 AM   #30
Albertese
Commodore
 
Albertese's Avatar
 
Location: Portland, OR
Re: Phaser banks on the Constitution class

Well, their definitely not coming from the lower dome. But the ringed area seems like a good option to me, especially seeing as how that are would sort of correspond to the refit, as Timo may be suggesting above?

Even though the original footage from "Arena" seems to be suggesting the beams originate higher, up, if I were to play the "producer's intent" card, I would have to assume that that is a simple error in the printing of the optical effect and they had every intention of having those beams come from the area of the dome, as per usual, but they just "missed," probably by either goofing up the cel animation or else not having the equipment lined up right when they did the superimpose.

But, in a WWTTD world, that is where those beams are coming from. I have no problem with assuming there are in fact a ring of phaser emitters at the level of the emitters on the TMP refit ship. Possibly these are the mid-ship phasers and the main phasers are located just forward of the lower sensor dome?

I only have the the 1st season of TOS-r on DVD and I'm too stubborn to subscribe to Netflix so I have no way to actually watch this scene in motion...

--Alex
__________________
Check out my website: www.goldtoothstudio.squarespace.com
Albertese is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 05:11 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.