So many horrible characters aboard the Voyager - Page 3

Captain Picard. · February 9 2013, 12:37 PM

Janeway is a leader but she does not fit the role of a captain I see her more as an admiral.

teacake · February 9 2013, 12:37 PM

He's not particularly original, though he is refreshing as a Vulcan who is not tormented with angst from being either half human or deeply flawed. He's an older mainstream Vulcan with hobbies (orchid growing), a family back in the Alpha quadrant he misses, a long term friendship in Janeway and some comfort zone challenges in the form of Neelix. He's one of the least dysfunctional Vulcans we see in Trek and a huge asset to the crew.

What did you see that was "bad"?

teacake · February 9 2013, 12:38 PM

Carcazoid wrote:

Captain Picard. wrote:

I wish Sigourney Weaver was the captain instead of Kate Mulgrew I always wish she played her part.

SW's voice is not nearly annoying enough to be Janeway.

Besides, if she'd done VOY we wouldn't have had her in Galaxy Quest.

I can't see Janeway pulling this off.

Forget Weaver, let's put Janeway in that cleavage uniform!!!!

Captain Picard. · February 9 2013, 12:44 PM

teacake wrote:

He's not particularly original, though he is refreshing as a Vulcan who is not tormented with angst from being either half human or deeply flawed. He's an older mainstream Vulcan with hobbies (orchid growing), a family back in the Alpha quadrant he misses, a long term friendship in Janeway and some comfort zone challenges in the form of Neelix. He's one of the least dysfunctional Vulcans we see in Trek and a huge asset to the crew.

What did you see that was "bad"?

Yeah true he has got an interesting personal life and I like the on going situation with Janeway but his not really the most original. I think it might be me I have just taken a disliking to him

I don't know when I talk to other people about him I describe him as an 'okay' character.

Skywalker · February 9 2013, 12:51 PM

I liked it when Paris' antics got on Tuvok's nerves. They should have done more with that and focused less on the one-sided Paris/Kim friendship.

T'Girl · February 9 2013, 12:53 PM

stj wrote:

How can the half-dozen Harry Kim episodes be such a problem? Cutting them out of the show wouldn't make it noticeably leaner or faster paced.

I wonder if Harry Kim would have been a better character, more effective, if they had made him more of a Miles O'Brien like character and only had him on the show occasional? And not had him as a ineffectual "Main Character?"

Harry was good in a small handful of episodes, isolate him to those.

teacake · February 9 2013, 12:58 PM

Skywalker wrote:

I liked it when Paris' antics got on Tuvok's nerves. They should have done more with that and focused less on the one-sided Paris/Kim friendship.

I think we really see the effects of being trapped indefinitely on a ship of emotionally demonstrative people for Tuvok. It starts to wear him down.

lurok · February 9 2013, 01:26 PM

Amen to both comments

Udat · February 9 2013, 06:42 PM

teacake wrote:

Skywalker wrote:

I liked it when Paris' antics got on Tuvok's nerves. They should have done more with that and focused less on the one-sided Paris/Kim friendship.

I think we really see the effects of being trapped indefinitely on a ship of emotionally demonstrative people for Tuvok. It starts to wear him down.

I guess a more personal story telling interaction between characters was needed, however personalised story-telling seemed only to become more apparent in BSG, before that Scifi series could always be a bit remote. Firefly has some personalised story telling aspects, someone is going to claim DS9 had all that, and indeed it did, but it never really floated my boat.

DeepSpaceWine · February 9 2013, 09:05 PM

I think Tuvok does smile in "Workforce". He might also in "Riddles" too.

Captain Picard. · February 9 2013, 10:27 PM

DeepSpaceWine wrote:

I think Tuvok does smile in "Workforce". He might also in "Riddles" too.

Unfortunately I have not seen them yet but I will enjoy finally seeing him smile when I do

teacake · February 9 2013, 10:52 PM

Udat wrote:

teacake wrote:

Skywalker wrote:

I liked it when Paris' antics got on Tuvok's nerves. They should have done more with that and focused less on the one-sided Paris/Kim friendship.

I think we really see the effects of being trapped indefinitely on a ship of emotionally demonstrative people for Tuvok. It starts to wear him down.

I guess a more personal story telling interaction between characters was needed, however personalised story-telling seemed only to become more apparent in BSG, before that Scifi series could always be a bit remote. Firefly has some personalised story telling aspects, someone is going to claim DS9 had all that, and indeed it did, but it never really floated my boat.

And when Trek did spend extra time on personal stories it gets called a soap opera. See DS9.

Science fiction is always having a big stress between how much is about what's outside the ship and how much is about what's inside.

Relayer1 · February 10 2013, 01:18 AM

teacake wrote:

Well I gotta ask.. what in the world did you not like about Tuvok?

Well, I didn't like the way the character was written, I didn't like Tim Russes portrayal and rather pathetically, I didn't like his hairline...

Guy Gardener · February 10 2013, 01:32 AM

Remember Horny Teen Tuvok from Gravity?

Or Romulan Tuvok from Meld?

JirinPanthosa · February 11 2013, 05:55 AM

If you think Kim had a small role in the show, how do you feel about Mayweather?

Kim at least had lines.

February 9 2013, 12:37 PM	#31
Captain Picard. Lieutenant Commander Location: Earth	Re: So many horrible characters aboard the Voyager Janeway is a leader but she does not fit the role of a captain I see her more as an admiral.

February 9 2013, 12:37 PM	#32
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: So many horrible characters aboard the Voyager He's not particularly original, though he is refreshing as a Vulcan who is not tormented with angst from being either half human or deeply flawed. He's an older mainstream Vulcan with hobbies (orchid growing), a family back in the Alpha quadrant he misses, a long term friendship in Janeway and some comfort zone challenges in the form of Neelix. He's one of the least dysfunctional Vulcans we see in Trek and a huge asset to the crew. What did you see that was "bad"? __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

February 9 2013, 12:51 PM	#35
Skywalker Admiral	Re: So many horrible characters aboard the Voyager I liked it when Paris' antics got on Tuvok's nerves. They should have done more with that and focused less on the one-sided Paris/Kim friendship.

February 9 2013, 01:26 PM	#38
lurok Commodore Location: Lost In The EU Expanse	Re: So many horrible characters aboard the Voyager Amen to both comments

February 9 2013, 09:05 PM	#40
DeepSpaceWine Commander	Re: So many horrible characters aboard the Voyager I think Tuvok does smile in "Workforce". He might also in "Riddles" too.

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February 10 2013, 01:32 AM	#44
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: So many horrible characters aboard the Voyager Remember Horny Teen Tuvok from Gravity? Or Romulan Tuvok from Meld? __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz

February 11 2013, 05:55 AM	#45
JirinPanthosa Captain	Re: So many horrible characters aboard the Voyager If you think Kim had a small role in the show, how do you feel about Mayweather? Kim at least had lines.