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Old February 8 2013, 04:17 AM   #91
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Re: What is "The Fall"?

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Let the speculation begin!

http://www.thetrekcollective.com/201...s-on-fall.html

I'm going to spoiler-tag this just in case.



So...

Intriguing.


Mind you, I'm not endorsing that conspiracy theory or saying the authors at Pocket are. It just makes me think of that phenomenon.

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^ At the very least, aren't there multiple future time periods (in both onscreen canon and current Treklit) that clearly have the Federation's survival assured? The 29th century of Braxton, the 31st century of Daniels, the Jake & Nog framing story from TGTMD, etc.
Not necessarily. The Federation could fall and be rebuild. What do we know about history from the 26th to the 28th century? Compare the fall and reconstruction of the USA in Postman, Shattered Union and Jericho.
Pedantry alert:

The United States did not fall in Jericho. Rather, it splintered in two, with Western states coming under the hegemony of the self-declared, corporate-dominated "Allied States of America" after the United States's major cities were destroyed. But the U.S. continued to exist, and the federal government moved its capital to Columbus, Ohio.

Though that of course suggests other dark potentialities. Perhaps the Federation doesn't literally fall, but is split in twain?

Or maybe we're all speculating in wild directions that have no basis in reality purely because of a vague title.
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Old February 8 2013, 05:08 AM   #92
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A hint for all of you: "Pride goeth before...."
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Old February 8 2013, 06:10 AM   #93
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A hint for all of you: "Pride goeth before...."
Ooh. It's another X-men crossover? Cool.
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Old February 8 2013, 06:14 AM   #94
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A hint for all of you: "Pride goeth before...."
Ooh, cryptic! Hmmm...

"Pride goeth before a $10.99 all-you-can-eat rib night at Tony Roma's"?

No, that doesn't sound right. Well, I'm stumped.
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Old February 8 2013, 10:41 AM   #95
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Pedantry alert:

The United States did not fall in Jericho. Rather, it splintered in two, with Western states coming under the hegemony of the self-declared, corporate-dominated "Allied States of America" after the United States's major cities were destroyed. But the U.S. continued to exist, and the federal government moved its capital to Columbus, Ohio.
Oh, but of course it did. The line of succession was effectively broken and surviving authorities banded together to reform the US government. The same as in Shattered Union.

"Pride cometh before the Fall", I presume. That points towards a Typhon Pact member, I'd guess. The Federation is humble and decent.
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Old February 8 2013, 09:15 PM   #96
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To some the Federation does not show pride or arrogance?
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Old February 8 2013, 09:47 PM   #97
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I just hope the thing that's going to "Fall" isn't the Federation. The writers wouldn't do that, would they?
My guess is that it's the Typhon Pact.

Although with the Super Bowl ad for the next film promising...

I can see the novels going "Bitch, please!" and killing the entire UFP. Especially with David Mack involved.

Still doubt it. But not as ridiculously impossible an idea as it would have been a decade ago.
I think that idea is heading down the same path that this board went down five years ago when speculation was rife that Earth would be destroyed in Destiny!

From David Mack's hint above, I'm going with the idea that



Unless I'm reading too much into it.

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Old February 8 2013, 10:22 PM   #98
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Let the speculation begin!

http://www.thetrekcollective.com/201...s-on-fall.html

I'm going to spoiler-tag this just in case.



So...


I'm just really hoping it's NOT
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Old February 8 2013, 10:56 PM   #99
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From David Mack's hint above, I'm going with the idea that



Unless I'm reading too much into it.
That's a nice point, Wig. Perhaps this is a Romulan-centric plot after all, even if it isn't about Hobus.

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Let the speculation begin!

http://www.thetrekcollective.com/201...s-on-fall.html

I'm going to spoiler-tag this just in case.



So...


I'm just really hoping it's NOT
Not that I'm saying I think it is (for one thing, as you say, far too obvious), but I do think are ways in which the writers could pull off
. It would certainly be very difficult, and I don't think it would be a good idea at all, but then these authors have surprised me before by taking ideas I was sure wouldn't work and, well, making them work, so who knows?

I'm sure it won't be, though.
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Old February 8 2013, 11:03 PM   #100
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Could it be...
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Old February 8 2013, 11:36 PM   #101
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I just hope the thing that's going to "Fall" isn't the Federation. The writers wouldn't do that, would they?
My guess is that it's the Typhon Pact.

Although with the Super Bowl ad for the next film promising...

I can see the novels going "Bitch, please!" and killing the entire UFP. Especially with David Mack involved.

Still doubt it. But not as ridiculously impossible an idea as it would have been a decade ago.
I think that idea is heading down the same path that this board went down five years ago when speculation was rife that Earth would be destroyed in Destiny!

From David Mack's hint above, I'm going with the idea that



Unless I'm reading too much into it.
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Old February 9 2013, 11:57 AM   #102
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David Mack's most likely talking about the posters here and the upcoming books named 'Fall'.

As for the 'Fall' books - as per the spoilers in this thread:
-they start with ~there was so much blood;
-during the brainstorming sessions, there appeared comments like ~they are getting pretty grim.

The tone of the books - new battlestar galactica-ish - is obvious.
High body count; whether it's the federation, romulans or whatever, you can be sure it will survive to feature in the next book.
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Old February 11 2013, 03:59 AM   #103
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From David Mack's hint above, I'm going with the idea that



Unless I'm reading too much into it.
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Old February 11 2013, 04:18 AM   #104
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I just realized what "the Fall" might refer to -- Picard and Crusher's kid is probably going to start walking soon...

So it's probably just about their kid falling down and hurting his knee or something.
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Old February 11 2013, 04:55 AM   #105
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I think Troi comes back and pilots the E-E and they all fall down.
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