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Old January 30 2013, 12:26 AM   #601
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Really there's only one big curveball in Voyager.. and no you're not there yet.
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Old February 8 2013, 02:37 AM   #602
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The Rise

Voyager is trying to help a planet avoid being destroyed by asteroids. There is a scene in the beginning where they try to explode them, but it does not work….why don’t they just use a tractor beam and set them on another course?

I like it that Neelix is so excited to work on his Star Trek training. He does have good ideas, and tries to be useful. He did go get extra medical supplies before going on an away mission; this is a good idea. I get the feeling that I am in the minority, but I am a Neelix fan!!

Another shuttle bites the dust! Seriously, is this an ongoing joke? The writers do realize that this is silly right? Neelix goes with Tuvok to the planet, they are stranded (when the shuttle breaks), and Neelix sees the Seattle Needle Thingy that will bring them high enough up to contact Voyager. Neelix works hard to get the carriage working, and he tries to keep moral up! He even yelled at Tuvok, so he would listen to him! He made a great comment, “It’s strange I really like him (Tuvok), I just wish the feeling was mutual”. I really liked this statement. I think it shows that Neelix is not as dumb as some people think. He knows he is not necessary liked. I like Neelix’s part in this episode. He really is a good character. He is loyal, resourceful, and kind. I do admit he is a bit quirky! I like it that he is being trained to have a more active role on the ship.

Favorite part: Neelix to Tuvok: “I am glad to see your interpersonal skills are improving. You are learning to motivate people”. Badass, Neelix sticks up for himself in this episode, and doesn’t fall all goggley eyes around Tuvok, and I like it that he quite calling him Mr. Vulcan or Mr. Tuvok….I never decided if that was patronizing or an innocent comment.

Least favorite part: The Frankenstein walk that Tuvok does when Neelix lets him back into the carriage after the one guy tried to kill him. It was pretty ridiculous when the guy Tuvok fights goes backward out of the carriage screaming…it was pretty cheesy graphics.
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Old February 8 2013, 03:18 AM   #603
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Favorite Son

They really should be embarrassed over this one! Kim hears things, fires on a vessel without permission, has weird flashbacks about his family and childhood, and gets tricked into thinking he is from a different planet. When Voyager is attacked a Tarisian ship comes to their aid and claim that Kim is one of them. They claim he was conceived there and taken to Earth to be implanted into an Earth woman. They claim that their DNA helps them to return, and that the goal is to bring new DNA and cultures into their society. The society is filled with mostly women, there are few men. They are fawning over Kim….(my intimal reaction after the first Tarisian scene was to vomit. My secondary reaction was, “please let them all be black widows and kill him”). The men on the planet get to marry multiple women, and then the women eat him (or close enough). At least they are kind enough to blindfold them and tie their hands first!

The women try to convince Harry to join with them and procreate on the planet. Kim keeps refusing, even after all of the sexual innuendo that is thrown at him! This was a truly horrible episode, and all it did for the series was make everyone look gullible and silly. I guess I could say, at least Kim showed a little backbone and tried to run away.

Favorite part: B’Elanna to Harry: “What happened to your face?” (He was born with it….)

Least favorite part: The episode. Thus far my least favorite episode!
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Old February 8 2013, 04:31 AM   #604
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Am I the only person who likes Favorite Son?

The Rise was very old school feel, could have been a TOS ep.
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Old February 8 2013, 04:43 AM   #605
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Teacake, why do you like that episode?
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Old February 8 2013, 05:18 AM   #606
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I like the whole sci fi idea that you aren't who or what you always thought you were, that you are now ready to wake up to your real species. Yes they made all that up but what you see through Harry's eyes is someone who lives that reality, however briefly.
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Old February 8 2013, 05:00 PM   #607
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Okay, I agree the premise could be interesting, but it was badly executed!
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Old February 17 2013, 06:26 PM   #608
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Before and After

I watched this over a week ago, so I am just going to say that I liked this episode. Kes is one of my favorite characters. I like the mix of sensibility and "character" that she has. She is one of the most caring and forgiving characters that I have seen on Star Trek. I like the quick look into the future, the this-is-what-could-have-been-but-will-never-be glimpse. Kes and Paris...this would have been an interesting combination, and I think I would like it. I think Kes would be good for Paris, I would guess that she would "calm" him down and make him strive to be helpful and good. The whole thing with Kim becoming Paris' son-in-law was quite funny!! Paris a grandfather at 30ish...his parents would never have guessed!! It was sad that Janeway died, but it was also interesting to see a glimpse of Voyager without Janeway. They seemed to have done a decent job without her, at least after their "year of darkness". Overall, I liked the episode. One of my favorite parts was Kes' smirk when everyone tried to get information out of her pertaining to thier futures. My least favorite part is that we will never see this affecting Kes again, but it would logically...no one would see their future, their kids, grandkids, etc., and not have lasting emotion or feelings because of it...
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Old February 17 2013, 06:30 PM   #609
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Hopefully, I will have a few episode posts today. It is my annual, "2nd Thanksgiving" so while I am cooking today I am going on a Star Trek marathon!
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Old February 17 2013, 06:48 PM   #610
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Real Life

The opening of this scene was kind of creepy. The woman who played the wife pulled off a creepy, I’m-going-to-melt-down-and-pull-a-Bobbit-on-you type of persona. So, the Doc, made himself family. How very cute. Blond children, blond wife, too Aryan race for me, why didn’t they give him a Vulcan family or at least kids that did not look so plastic…at least it got better!!

The Doc invited Kes and B’Elanna over for dinner, which was hysterical. He has a NAME!! Kenneth, it actually seems appropriate; I like it, but I don’t feel like it will last past the episode…. I was counting down the time it took for B’Elanna to freak out; the constant compliments and fervent “I love our Dad/Husband” was driving me nuts too! Kes has a much more natural knack for giving advice, and when Kes agrees it really does see the sensible thing to do; time to change the program!

So Paris is actually openly hitting on B’Elanna now…I like the sexual innuendo. When the light started to flair in front of the ship, (when they were flirting) I kind of feel like Paris and B’Elanna would have been on their way to the bridge before Janeway called them down.

When the Doc set down his rules why would it have been dangerous for his daughter to be playing with kids two to four years older than herself? I like the 2nd-version of the son, he wants to be a Klingon warrior, and at one point he insults the Doc in Klingo! The Docs daughter was injured, and when he was on the point of crying, he ended the program.

I like the continuity of the A and B stories in this episode. The bridge and Paris are working on the eddies and Kes, B’Elanna, and the Doc are all involved in the Docs search to understand humanity via family life. Toward the end, the two stories merge together when Paris has a head injury and it reminds the Doctor of his daughter’s injury that she was dying from. The end, when the daughter dies, almost made me cry, it was truly sad. That was probably the second saddest part of Star Trek that I have seen, after Jadzia died in DS9.

Favorite part: QUTLUCH dagger! The Doc’s kid’s friends have a Qutluch dagger! My namesake! Woo Hoo, this was the first episode I have actually seen the dagger in!

Least favorite part: I really think their shoes/boots should be magnetic or something so when they have disturbances and the ship shakes all over people would not fall down and get knocked all about.
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Old February 17 2013, 08:33 PM   #611
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Being a Paris fan, I've always liked this one -- from the flirty scene in the mess hall (also the little detail of Tom being out of rations; we don't get enough reminders of the logistical problems caused by them being stranded in the DQ) to the delicious irony of both him and B'Elanna being the ones to give the Doc advice on family dynamics. After all, they're the ones with the most childhood baggage on the crew ...

Liked the Tom/Doc dynamic, too -- funny how the Doc keeps turning to his assistant for advice and help (see also Lifesigns, later stuff you haven't seen yet) and how Tom delivers. Their back-and-forth of mutual disdain and reliance continues throughout the series, and it's a lovely thing to watch, much under-appreciated.
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Old February 17 2013, 09:30 PM   #612
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Distant Origin

It is never a good sign when my husband shakes his head at the beginning of an episode and tells me I am going to hate this episode…he knows me well...

An alien race finds a human skull, and a professor from their race speaks to the government officials to try and convince them that they were not the first species in their area. The government does not like their heretics, and they the two professor types go out and find Voyager. When they find VOY they walk around observing and making analyses about them…the mating rituals of Paris and B’Elanna were humorous. However, the Professor was too egotistical and thought they could walk around cloaked and undetected, but the crew found them.

The professor got away, and Veer was captured. Veer took Chakotay with him. Turns out the aliens originated on Earth and were closely related to the dinosaurs. The particular dinosaur must have lived and evolved into a new highly evolved species.

Okay, problem with this episode: they are changing the creation story/evolutionary doctrine of Earth. By changing a core element of history and evolution, it should have effects throughout the entire Star Trek realm, including the other series, but it doesn’t and I am sure that it will not continue over throughout VOY either… It is hard to make such a strong and sweeping change in one episode and not examine it again. This is what I dislike most about VOY. It is episodic, and rarely contains any story arc. Some of the episodes that they are creating logically should have lasting effects, but they do not. Apparently, they need a Vulcan in the writing crew!

Also, if the dinosaur species was just evolving and finding language, etc., how did they make the great leap to having good enough technology to launch them into space?
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Old February 17 2013, 09:31 PM   #613
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Before and After

I watched this over a week ago, so I am just going to say that I liked this episode. Kes is one of my favorite characters. I like the mix of sensibility and "character" that she has. She is one of the most caring and forgiving characters that I have seen on Star Trek. I like the quick look into the future, the this-is-what-could-have-been-but-will-never-be glimpse. Kes and Paris...this would have been an interesting combination, and I think I would like it. I think Kes would be good for Paris, I would guess that she would "calm" him down and make him strive to be helpful and good. The whole thing with Kim becoming Paris' son-in-law was quite funny!! Paris a grandfather at 30ish...his parents would never have guessed!! It was sad that Janeway died, but it was also interesting to see a glimpse of Voyager without Janeway. They seemed to have done a decent job without her, at least after their "year of darkness". Overall, I liked the episode. One of my favorite parts was Kes' smirk when everyone tried to get information out of her pertaining to thier futures. My least favorite part is that we will never see this affecting Kes again, but it would logically...no one would see their future, their kids, grandkids, etc., and not have lasting emotion or feelings because of it...

Loved this ep. The biggest "problem" with the ep is that we the audience forget that "our" Voyager will continue to be affected by temporal echoes from the future (that year of darkness you referenced), hence "we will never see this affecting Kes again..."



JANEWAY: Time travel. Ever since my first day in the job as a Starfleet Captain I swore I'm never let myself get caught in one of these god-forsaken paradoxes. The future is the past, the past is the future. It all gives me a headache.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO9x7...tailpage#t=19s

Things I liked? Janeway & Torres didn't stay dead, for one.



Watching Kes age backwards, garnering information and deducing what/where the problem was, for two.

Actually seeing kes give birth AND be born, for three.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbZnoGJR1Zs



And as much as I am a STAUNCH paris/Torres shipper, I really liked the Paris/Kes love story... and because I'm such a STAUNCH Paris/Torres & Janeway/Chakotay shipper, I liked the nods towards their relationships (although one needs a magnifying glass to see the J/C nod.)

After getting the casuality report from the krneim attack, where 13 people died including Janeway & Torres, Chakotay commiserates with Tom...

CHAKOTAY: Tom, I'm going to need you to stay here and treat these people. When this is over we're all going to have a lot of grieving to do.

I liked seeing the Doctor come up with not one but two names for himself... Dr. Van Gogh and Dr Mozart.

Overall, a wonderful ep which will have




SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT



an interesting reprise in "the future".

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The opening of this scene was kind of creepy. The woman who played the wife pulled off a creepy, I’m-going-to-melt-down-and-pull-a-Bobbit-on-you type of persona. So, the Doc, made himself family. How very cute. Blond children, blond wife, too Aryan race for me, why didn’t they give him a Vulcan family or at least kids that did not look so plastic…at least it got better!!

The Doc invited Kes and B’Elanna over for dinner, which was hysterical. He has a NAME!! Kenneth, it actually seems appropriate; I like it, but I don’t feel like it will last past the episode…. I was counting down the time it took for B’Elanna to freak out; the constant compliments and fervent “I love our Dad/Husband” was driving me nuts too! Kes has a much more natural knack for giving advice, and when Kes agrees it really does see the sensible thing to do; time to change the program!

So Paris is actually openly hitting on B’Elanna now…I like the sexual innuendo. When the light started to flair in front of the ship, (when they were flirting) I kind of feel like Paris and B’Elanna would have been on their way to the bridge before Janeway called them down.

When the Doc set down his rules why would it have been dangerous for his daughter to be playing with kids two to four years older than herself? I like the 2nd-version of the son, he wants to be a Klingon warrior, and at one point he insults the Doc in Klingo! The Docs daughter was injured, and when he was on the point of crying, he ended the program.

I like the continuity of the A and B stories in this episode. The bridge and Paris are working on the eddies and Kes, B’Elanna, and the Doc are all involved in the Docs search to understand humanity via family life. Toward the end, the two stories merge together when Paris has a head injury and it reminds the Doctor of his daughter’s injury that she was dying from. The end, when the daughter dies, almost made me cry, it was truly sad. That was probably the second saddest part of Star Trek that I have seen, after Jadzia died in DS9.

Favorite part: QUTLUCH dagger! The Doc’s kid’s friends have a Qutluch dagger! My namesake! Woo Hoo, this was the first episode I have actually seen the dagger in!

Least favorite part: I really think their shoes/boots should be magnetic or something so when they have disturbances and the ship shakes all over people would not fall down and get knocked all about.
Although the holoprogram makes me cringe along with B'Elanna and Kes, and the end makes me cry, I still think THIS is my fav part of the entire show. Remember, it comes just 6 eps AFTER "Blood Fever"!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX7QE7nWZTk

PARIS: A beautiful woman should never have to eat alone. What are you reading?
TORRES: It's nothing important.
PARIS: Women Warriors at the River of Blood?
TORRES: It's just escapist reading.
PARIS: 'Rork turned his fierce eye upon her, and B'Neah felt her heart begin to quicken, even as her hand went to her dagger. She had intended to plunge it into his throat, but something about him made her hesitate.' B'Elanna, is this a Klingon Romance novel?
TORRES: Klingons do have what you might call a romantic side. It's a bit more vigorous than most.
PARIS: I think I'll read it. Maybe it'll give me some ideas how to make your heart quicken.
TORRES: It's not a technical manual, Tom.
PARIS: Well, that depends what you mean by technical.
TORRES: To an engineer that means specializing in particular systems.
PARIS: I think that definition works.
TORRES: I can't promise I won't put a dagger in your throat...

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YES! Agree 100%.
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