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Old February 2 2013, 02:12 AM   #16
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Re: Female changeling stupid??

I would like to point out that the Changelings, or at least the other Changelings showed a great ability to impersonate solids.

If they can do that and sometimes/most-times they are so good at it that even friends don't see a difference, I would expect that she would have a better grasp on reality.

Or could the reason be the sickness

Also possible is -although not much, that there are different sorts of Changelings: infiltrators, scouts, rulers, "royals"...
If she is of the last type, then of course she doesn't know how the world runs...
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Old February 2 2013, 02:33 AM   #17
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Re: Female changeling stupid??

Maybe the changelings have a collective intelligence; as in, they are smarter together, but the longer any individual spends outside the Link, the dumber they become. Or perhaps, the longer they are apart from other Founders, the more individual they become, and the more they fall to their own individual personal foibles.

Also keep in mind the FF was very sick, and probably didn't have the typical Founder patience.

Or, the Founders are like abusive players. They will wine and dine you, show off, get you to trust them, and then, once they have you, will treat you like a bug and beat you for your indiscretions.
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Old February 2 2013, 02:47 AM   #18
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Re: Female changeling stupid??

I think she was showing previously established behavior exhibited toward solids. The Jem'Hadar were trusted up to a point, but made addicted to the white. The Vorta were in positions of minor authority, but made to revere the Founders as gods. They were trusted solids, but still forced into servitude. Any other solids, they didn't really give a shit about, but tolerated if they were useful. Anger the Founders, and you're dead meat.
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Old February 4 2013, 07:07 AM   #19
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Re: Female changeling stupid??

Just was reminded that in "Broken Link" the FC basically tells the Cardies that they're done for; their support just commuted their sentence.
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Old February 5 2013, 02:17 AM   #20
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I am not sure the Female Changeling is stupid persay, rather her mind was being affected by the disease and the fact the Founder's have a psychopathic disregard for solids. Its part of the whole "Evil Cannot Comprehend Good" idea that often makes villains lose.

This attitude is seen in real life, during WWII the Nazis would destroy entire towns if the resistance movement in an occupied country was causing enough trouble. Heck the Nazis solution to almost any problem seemed to be as needlessly cruel as possible. The Nazis campaign in the East would have more successful, if the Nazis hadn't insisted on massacring and enslaving almost all the people in that region, making Stalin the better choice for the Russian population. You are pretty evil, if you can make Stalin look good by comparison. The Female Changeling just has that kind of warped outlook on life.
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Old February 5 2013, 10:13 AM   #21
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Re: Female changeling stupid??

The Nazis were in no way exceptional when it comes to a superior force exterminating the non-combatants of an overpowered region. It goes back to prehistory. Since ST is basically human stories with the baddies dressed up as aliens (because humans have put all that unpleasantness behind them), it makes sense to have one who thinks nothing of genocide. It's a familiar concept after all.
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Old February 5 2013, 10:33 AM   #22
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Lakarian City, 2 Million Dead.

Guess she figured holding a gun to Carassia's head would be enough to keep them fighting on their side until the end of the war.

Total Dead on Cardassia following the battle 850 Million +

Quite an effective gun at that, the Cardassian's calling her bluff costs them 100-150 Holocausts worth of retribution. Let's not forget the most important thing, the Female Changeling didn't really care if she conquered the Quadrant or ruled it or even lived, she just wanted to destroy as much as she could with the very small portion of the Dominion she brought with her, most of her ships and soldiers were constructed in the Alpha Quadrant...

She succeeded in that almost entirely. If it wasn't for Section 31 forcing her hand the losses would have been much higher, the Jem'hader would have kept on fighting right to the end.
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Old February 7 2013, 05:35 PM   #23
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Re: Female changeling stupid??

She's not stupid, she just does not understand how "solids" think.
Also the Founders have a massive superiority complex. All other lifeforms to them are inferior. The Cardassians were just pawns to be used from the start; it just wasn't obvious at first because Dukat could hold his end up with Weyoun. When Damar rebelled that was it. A pawn that refuses to go where you place him on the board is no longer useful.
As soon as the Cardassians refused to be gaming pieces, their usefulness to the Founders was at an end and annihilation the only answer. From their point of view the Founders had to "set an example", otherwise every other world they'd overrun might get ideas of rebellion into their heads...
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Old February 8 2013, 07:14 AM   #24
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Re: Female changeling stupid??

The idea of levelling Larkarian City was Weyoun's idea. He was more or less running the Dominion for most of the war. He even worked closely with the Cardassians, but as we saw towards the end of the war he didn't understand them all that much. His actions created the initial military rebellion to begin with. So the failure is more on his head than the generally disinterested Founder.
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