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Old February 7 2013, 08:51 PM   #121
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Re: What's with all the Union Jacks in the trailer?

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Because every last insignificant detail of STiD needs to be masticated to death.
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Old February 8 2013, 12:52 AM   #122
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Isn't Sisko's restaurant in New Orleans? That's not a nation or a state.
Yeah, New Orleans is more like its own universe.
If you do New Orleans right, it will be.
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Old February 8 2013, 06:20 AM   #123
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United Earth? United Federation of Planets? I thought 22nd century Trek had a world government! Since when were there separate countries in Star Trek? To me, this is a big screw up.
This is why the new movies aren't being made for Star Trek fans, and that fact needs to be pointed out in every interview.
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Old February 8 2013, 11:52 AM   #124
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United Earth? United Federation of Planets? I thought 22nd century Trek had a world government! Since when were there separate countries in Star Trek? To me, this is a big screw up.
This is why the new movies aren't being made for Star Trek fans, and that fact needs to be pointed out in every interview.
You have to remember in world war 2 Germany as a country was devastated by the allies including Berlin which was flattered to the ground. Who says that after world war 3 all country's and capital city's were devastated and then rebuilt?? From the trailers we've seen and pics of London and San Francisco with new buildings built around the old ones e.g St Paul's Cathedral. IMO every country still remains the same and has a goverment to run it including starfleet and UFP Buildings in every country that joined it as well .??
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Old February 8 2013, 11:54 AM   #125
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In the 4 TV series, hundreds of hours of television - the multiple times characters have visited earth and in all the previous films and TV episodes when they visited earth - not once did we see any flag except the UFP.

So, it's simply adding new material to the Trek canon that former nation states keep their old vestiges.
Uhura is from the USA (United States of Africa), Chekov is from Russia, Scotty is from Scotland, Kirk is from Iowa, Picard is from France, Riker is from Alaska. . .so even though we may not have seen flags, nations and states still exist on Earth. . . and really, there aren't that many episodes where we visited civilian places on Earth, so you can't go by what was shown in them.

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OTOH, we saw a few quiet San Francisco streets in ENT and DS9, a few quiet New Orleans streets in DS9 (which looked suspiciously similar to the SF ones), Picard's vineyard and a resteraunt in Paris in TNG and a view from Archer's hotel window in NYC in ENT. None of which were exactly the kind of places you'd have flags waving. The only place where a flag was seen was Starfleet a academy, and of course they'd fly the colours of the UFP.
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Old February 8 2013, 12:40 PM   #126
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I've been the USA several times on holiday and I noticed that the 1st time I went I noticed a lot of star and stripes everywhere so when I returned home I started to notice our flag more than ever. Also in this film there are a lot of British actors and actress cumberbatch Noel Clarke and I think Alice eve is also British perhaps a homage to them from JJ also JJ make like the likes of London and the UK !!!
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Old February 8 2013, 01:00 PM   #127
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Who says that after world war 3 all country's and capital city's were devastated and then rebuilt??
If we see a city in any Trek show, we can assume it wasn't totally destroyed in that war, otherwise it wouldn't be there. It would take at least a couple of hundred years to completely rebuild a major city from the ground up, especially after World War III.
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Old February 8 2013, 03:12 PM   #128
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I've been the USA several times on holiday and I noticed that the 1st time I went I noticed a lot of star and stripes everywhere so when I returned home I started to notice our flag more than ever. Also in this film there are a lot of British actors and actress cumberbatch Noel Clarke and I think Alice eve is also British perhaps a homage to them from JJ also JJ make like the likes of London and the UK !!!
Yeah. The American flag is everywhere, now. Used to be traditional to just fly the flag over government buildings (federal, state, local), schools, post offices, and other official-type buildings. Now, lots of private businesses fly it. The Bob Evans restaurant chain is known for flying huge American flags outside its restaurants. McDonalds flies American flags. For a lot of companies, I'm not sure it's so much for patriotic reasons as it is commercial.

On topic, a British flag in 2258 could convey anything British. Even if the national governments are no longer totally sovereign, the people and their symbols still exist. National feelings still exist. (Chekov is a proud Russian, and Scotty is a proud Scotsman.)

What "world government" republican-democracy would make nations do away with flags, anyway?
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Old February 8 2013, 04:43 PM   #129
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It's not as if the political structure of the Federation made any sense before STiD. Why would it now?
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Old February 8 2013, 05:18 PM   #130
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In the prime timeline, weren't we told that Geordi was from something called the African Confederation or something? Clearly political subdivisions still exist in the 24th century, so it's even more likely they'd be around in the 23rd.
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Old February 8 2013, 05:34 PM   #131
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returned home I started to notice our flag more than ever.
Especially when a member of the Royal Family gets married.


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Old February 8 2013, 08:50 PM   #132
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United Earth? United Federation of Planets? I thought 22nd century Trek had a world government! Since when were there separate countries in Star Trek? To me, this is a big screw up.
This is why the new movies aren't being made for Star Trek fans, and that fact needs to be pointed out in every interview.

Aside from the Scotsman and the Russian in the original series . . . .

Seems like business as usual to this fan.
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Old February 9 2013, 01:48 PM   #133
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What's the big issue?

Every sub-national unit in the world usually posses a flag. Hell, even cities often have their own flag.

It's highly implausible to assume that United Earth doesn't possess any administrative subdivisions.
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Old February 9 2013, 02:21 PM   #134
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If we see a city in any Trek show, we can assume it wasn't totally destroyed in that war, otherwise it wouldn't be there. It would take at least a couple of hundred years to completely rebuild a major city from the ground up, especially after World War III.
If we saw a 24th century city completely identical to its 20th century appearance, we could assume it was rebuilt as a museum piece, with great expenditure of resources for supposed great profit, and in a short period of time.

However, the only museum piece we ever saw was New Orleans, or at least a few city blocks of it. Cambridge had been "ruined" by the liberal addition of modern buildings, so the odds of it being a rebuilt/restored museum are low. Ditto for San Francisco, in all its Trek incarnations. Any city that flaunts a mixture of old and new buildings is probably a true WWIII survivor where the old buildings are the bona fide originals...

Probably the war spared major First World cities which had defenses in place, but devastated the even larger Third World cities that did not. Small towns like San Francisco would be irrelevant to the total death count anyway: we never saw any part of Mexico City, Cairo or Beijing remaining, never mind possible emergent supercities in the southern hemisphere.

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Old February 9 2013, 03:11 PM   #135
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If we see a city in any Trek show, we can assume it wasn't totally destroyed in that war, otherwise it wouldn't be there. It would take at least a couple of hundred years to completely rebuild a major city from the ground up, especially after World War III.
If we saw a 24th century city completely identical to its 20th century appearance, we could assume it was rebuilt as a museum piece, with great expenditure of resources for supposed great profit, and in a short period of time.

However, the only museum piece we ever saw was New Orleans, or at least a few city blocks of it. Cambridge had been "ruined" by the liberal addition of modern buildings, so the odds of it being a rebuilt/restored museum are low. Ditto for San Francisco, in all its Trek incarnations. Any city that flaunts a mixture of old and new buildings is probably a true WWIII survivor where the old buildings are the bona fide originals...

Probably the war spared major First World cities which had defenses in place, but devastated the even larger Third World cities that did not. Small towns like San Francisco would be irrelevant to the total death count anyway: we never saw any part of Mexico City, Cairo or Beijing remaining, never mind possible emergent supercities in the southern hemisphere.

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