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Old February 6 2013, 06:40 AM   #106
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Re: What's with all the Union Jacks in the trailer?

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It's not about patriotism. It's not about blame, it's just dumb... really, really, dumb.
To complain about it before the movie even comes out? Yep.
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Old February 6 2013, 02:18 PM   #107
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Question. Would an Irish man get his titties in a twist if the flag went from orange to green on a flag pole instead of the reverse in a sci-fi movie?
Nah, sure that would be an Ivory Coast flag obviously.
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Old February 6 2013, 03:21 PM   #108
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Nah, sure that would be an Ivory Coast flag obviously.
Wow, sure is. Good lord, who had the design first? You'd think whomever chose it second could have picked something else.

Answered my own question They should have chosen something different still.
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Old February 6 2013, 11:00 PM   #109
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What is this Sheldon Cooper Presents Fun With Flags?
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Old February 7 2013, 05:07 AM   #110
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Re: What's with all the Union Jacks in the trailer?

With Ferdinand T. Flag?
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Old February 7 2013, 05:49 AM   #111
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Re: What's with all the Union Jacks in the trailer?

Naaahh...
Sheldon finds flags to be a detriment to society and rank right up there with birds.

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Old February 7 2013, 05:51 AM   #112
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But he's not insane.

His mother had him tested.
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Old February 7 2013, 09:55 AM   #113
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Because every last insignificant detail of STiD needs to be masticated to death.
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Old February 7 2013, 12:19 PM   #114
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I was in Rome at the end of 2012, and pretty much every Italian government building I passed had both the Italian flag and the EU flag, indicating that there was both a national government and a larger union of member states. So it seems very appropriate that the trailer featured a building with both the UK flag and the UFP flag. If anything, it might've been nice to also see a United Earth flag, but it's just a 30 second bit of video, how much can you really fit in?
Exactly. Here in Berlin, even the different metropolitan districts have their own flags. Berlin has a flag (both as a city as well as a federal state), Germany has a Flag ... but we are nevertheless part of the European Union. Although the EU is not our government, so this might not be the best example.

All four countries of the UK have their own flags and even their own provincial governments, but they are all part of the United Kingdom and are being ruled by the UK Government.

And it works the same way in the US and countless other countries ... so why would the UFP or the United Earth work any differently? Countries and regions and districts and whatever will not be abolished just because they have united in order to form a common government.
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Old February 7 2013, 03:36 PM   #115
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Funny thought - what if it's actually the United States, in Trek timeline, that broke up into a similar but different political entity?

Trek's WWWIII seemed to hit the USA particularly hard, if First Contact is anything to go by, with what appears to be a breakdown of the government as a whole. Also, just for fun, wasn't there some mention in a TNG writer's guide about native Americans being given back land and former nations by the 24th century?

It could be that many nations in Trek time still have their historical identities and even flags, but other nations have changed. Much as the Soviet Union no longer exists in our own time today, but we still think of many parts of eastern Europe with a "Soviet" tint, or flavor.
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Old February 7 2013, 03:37 PM   #116
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And it works the same way in the US and countless other countries ... so why would the UFP or the United Earth work any differently? Countries and regions and districts and whatever will not be abolished just because they have united in order to form a common government.
In the 4 TV series, hundreds of hours of television - the multiple times characters have visited earth and in all the previous films and TV episodes when they visited earth - not once did we see any flag except the UFP.

So, it's simply adding new material to the Trek canon that former nation states keep their old vestiges.
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Old February 7 2013, 04:05 PM   #117
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In the 4 TV series, hundreds of hours of television - the multiple times characters have visited earth and in all the previous films and TV episodes when they visited earth - not once did we see any flag except the UFP.

So, it's simply adding new material to the Trek canon that former nation states keep their old vestiges.
Uhura is from the USA (United States of Africa), Chekov is from Russia, Scotty is from Scotland, Kirk is from Iowa, Picard is from France, Riker is from Alaska. . .so even though we may not have seen flags, nations and states still exist on Earth. . . and really, there aren't that many episodes where we visited civilian places on Earth, so you can't go by what was shown in them.

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Old February 7 2013, 04:24 PM   #118
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. .so even though we may not have seen flags, nations and states still exist on Earth. . . and really, there aren't that many episodes where we visited civilian places on Earth, so you can't go by what was shown in them.

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What about Ben Sisko's father Joseph, and his restaurant we visit multiple times.
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Old February 7 2013, 06:09 PM   #119
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. .so even though we may not have seen flags, nations and states still exist on Earth. . . and really, there aren't that many episodes where we visited civilian places on Earth, so you can't go by what was shown in them.

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What about Ben Sisko's father Joseph, and his restaurant we visit multiple times.

Isn't Sisko's restaurant in New Orleans? That's not a nation or a state. And while certain cities do have flags, those are not generally something that most people outside those cities know about. . . unlike national or state flags.

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Old February 7 2013, 06:44 PM   #120
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Isn't Sisko's restaurant in New Orleans? That's not a nation or a state.
Yeah, New Orleans is more like its own universe.
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