Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion - Page 5

Mr. Laser Beam · February 6 2013, 10:13 PM

ronny wrote:

BillJ wrote:

Am I the only one who doesn't care about the size of the ships?

No. I have no idea why it's a thing.

It's not the size of the ship, it's the motion of the subspace.

ChristopherPike · February 6 2013, 11:34 PM

King Daniel wrote:

April's wearing the 2258 duty uniform - just without the undershirt. Either he wants to show off his man clevage or perhaps Mr. Harrison stole it...

As for the NX-01, it seems an updated version of the ship may have been designed and used as set decoration at Starfleet Academy. Here's a post I made about it in the XI+ forum:

King Daniel wrote:

I came across this while googling and thought it might be of interest. Someone who was there when they were filming the Starfleet Academy scenes at the CSUN's Oviatt Library says there was a picture of the NX-01 inside the building.
http://trekmovie.com/2008/03/18/csun...cademy/#524276

Comment 65:

Hat Rick wrote:

The interior of Oviatt Library was set- dressed with photographs drawn from NASA and other sources. There was also what appeared to be a photo of the NX-01, albeit in futurized form. As a joke, there was also a tipped-over photograph of a bull on the photo display at the rear of the front entranced hall.

2. The Oviatt glass doors were decorated with the Starfleet emblem.

3. SPOILER: At approximately 4:00 p.m., about a hundred cadets rushed toward the eastern blue screen at the Quadrangle and craned their necks upward with excitement as if looking at a starship landing.
You heard it here first, folks. I was there.

Comment 86:

Comment 129:

One tidbit about the “futurized” NX-01: There are downward-sloping fins protruding from the belly of each nacelle and what seems to be some kind of gun- type thing where the main navigational deflector dish would be. The fins are fairly long — I woudl say about a quarter to a third the length of the nacelles themselves. It’s definitely not the NX-01 of the TV series

Sounds like they were filming the scene where the cadets run to see Nero's drill beam firing into the bay.

If this account is true and the inside of the library was dressed, maybe the NX-01 picture would have been visible through the glass if they'd shot Kirk and McCoy's pre-Kobayashi Maru scene coming down the stairs from a different angle or started talking inside the building or something.

Thanks for that, KD. Shame we didn't catch that NX style ship onscreen back in 2009. I'd have loved to have seen it, even as a painting in the background of shot. I've followed the link, and again from Trekmovie to Ain'titcool, but encountered problems with the images due to my browser. I assume they were just shots outside filming extras in and around the building dressed as Starfleet Academy.

King Daniel into Darkness · February 7 2013, 12:05 AM

I believe the pics were taken down by Paramount not long after leaking online. I remember they were shots of the outside of the library, with loads of cadets standing around on the grass and one or two pics of Chris Pine in the red uniform.

Markonian · February 7 2013, 12:06 AM

Remember: The USS Archon was also depicted as JJ-refitted NX-class in the comic "The Return of the Archons".

Mr. Laser Beam · February 7 2013, 02:51 AM

^ Is the "JJ refit" version of the NX class the same as the Doug Drexler refit? The one with the secondary hull?

bullethead · February 7 2013, 04:19 AM

Mr. Laser Beam wrote:

^ Is the "JJ refit" version of the NX class the same as the Doug Drexler refit? The one with the secondary hull?

IIRC, it didn't have the secondary hull, just an Abramsprise look in terms of components (especially the nacelles).

Saul · February 7 2013, 06:17 AM

bullethead wrote:

Mr. Laser Beam wrote:

^ Is the "JJ refit" version of the NX class the same as the Doug Drexler refit? The one with the secondary hull?

IIRC, it didn't have the secondary hull, just an Abramsprise look in terms of components (especially the nacelles).

This one? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mcDpDrvwWQ...310+page+2.jpg

ATimson · February 7 2013, 01:29 PM

Saul wrote:

This one? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mcDpDrvwWQ...310+page+2.jpg

Right ship, but there's a picture of it intact later in the issue.

King Daniel into Darkness · February 7 2013, 04:43 PM

Fascinating. It's possible that unseen NX-01ish set decoration, or a photo of it, ended up in IDW's hands and was used as a reference. Or maybe they just bashed together the series and movie Enterprises to make their USS Archon.

IIRC, a series-faithful hologram of the NX-01 appeared in young Jim Kirk's room in a prior issue.

Markonian · February 8 2013, 10:51 AM

Does somebody feel artistically inclined enough to recreate the ST09 picture of the NX-01 based on the descriptions we have?

Tried to google but I can't find the picture of the Archon (alternate timeline) anymore. And the comics are not available to me.

Oso Blanco · February 8 2013, 12:51 PM

ATimson wrote:

Saul wrote:

This one? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mcDpDrvwWQ...310+page+2.jpg

Right ship, but there's a picture of it intact later in the issue.

This one: http://rumschreiber.files.wordpress..../ussarchon.jpg

Saul · February 8 2013, 06:28 PM

Sweet. Thank you.

King Daniel into Darkness · February 8 2013, 09:52 PM

Thanks for posting the pic! It doesn't quite match the description of the modified-NX supposedly seen during filming of the movie (no gun in place of the deflector, no fins protruding from beneath the nacelles) but it's very interesting to see nonetheless. Either a second generation NX-class (with design features that would be recycled in the AU Enterprise but forgotten in Prime), or more likely just a slight reimagining. That looks like Drexler's secondary hull, but instead of being beneath the saucer it's protruding from the rear of it.

Christopher · February 8 2013, 10:35 PM

Or it's just an artist's impression that shouldn't be taken too literally. Lots of Trek comics have given us rather eccentric depictions of various Starfleet vessels. The first issue of DC's first Trek comic made the TWOK-era Enterprise's shuttlebay look like a transparent prism-shaped window of some sort. The recurring Surak in that series looked variously like the Oberth-class ship it was supposed to be, a miniature Excelsior-class ship, and an indistinct slab cluttered with radar dishes and other technological greebles. And then there's the Mirror Universe issue of the IDW Ongoing series that showed the TMP Enterprise in place of the Abrams version, and in another panel used the 1701-A registry (or was it B?) by mistake.

So as a rule, I'd say it's best not to sweat the details when it comes to comic-book portrayals of Trek ships.

King Daniel into Darkness · February 8 2013, 10:47 PM

Hey, I did say it was most likely slightly reimagined - as in, that artist's version of the NX-class.

And it was "1701-D" on the registry, written on a very unique saucer

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February 7 2013, 12:05 AM	#63
King Daniel into Darkness Admiral Location: KingDaniel has fallen Into Darkness (in England)	Re: Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion I believe the pics were taken down by Paramount not long after leaking online. I remember they were shots of the outside of the library, with loads of cadets standing around on the grass and one or two pics of Chris Pine in the red uniform. __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun video mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors. Episode One Episode Two

February 7 2013, 12:06 AM	#64
Markonian Commander Location: Cork, Ireland	Re: Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion Remember: The USS Archon was also depicted as JJ-refitted NX-class in the comic "The Return of the Archons". __________________ 1.000 years: University Leipzig, 1409-2409 Gorn to be wild!

February 7 2013, 02:51 AM	#65
Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Location: The visitor's bullpen	Re: Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion ^ Is the "JJ refit" version of the NX class the same as the Doug Drexler refit? The one with the secondary hull? __________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

February 7 2013, 04:43 PM	#69
King Daniel into Darkness Admiral Location: KingDaniel has fallen Into Darkness (in England)	Re: Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion Fascinating. It's possible that unseen NX-01ish set decoration, or a photo of it, ended up in IDW's hands and was used as a reference. Or maybe they just bashed together the series and movie Enterprises to make their USS Archon. IIRC, a series-faithful hologram of the NX-01 appeared in young Jim Kirk's room in a prior issue. __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun video mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors. Episode One Episode Two

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February 8 2013, 10:51 AM	#70
Markonian Commander Location: Cork, Ireland	Re: Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion Does somebody feel artistically inclined enough to recreate the ST09 picture of the NX-01 based on the descriptions we have? Tried to google but I can't find the picture of the Archon (alternate timeline) anymore. And the comics are not available to me. __________________ 1.000 years: University Leipzig, 1409-2409 Gorn to be wild!

February 8 2013, 06:28 PM	#72
Saul Rear Admiral Location: 東京	Re: Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion Sweet. Thank you. __________________ "It's not that you can see the strings, it's that 40 years later you're still looking at them." - Steven Moffat "This movie was big. Imagine how big it could have been with me in it?" William Shatner

February 8 2013, 09:52 PM	#73
King Daniel into Darkness Admiral Location: KingDaniel has fallen Into Darkness (in England)	Re: Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion Thanks for posting the pic! It doesn't quite match the description of the modified-NX supposedly seen during filming of the movie (no gun in place of the deflector, no fins protruding from beneath the nacelles) but it's very interesting to see nonetheless. Either a second generation NX-class (with design features that would be recycled in the AU Enterprise but forgotten in Prime), or more likely just a slight reimagining. That looks like Drexler's secondary hull, but instead of being beneath the saucer it's protruding from the rear of it. __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun video mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors. Episode One Episode Two

February 8 2013, 10:35 PM	#74
Christopher Writer	Re: Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion Or it's just an artist's impression that shouldn't be taken too literally. Lots of Trek comics have given us rather eccentric depictions of various Starfleet vessels. The first issue of DC's first Trek comic made the TWOK-era Enterprise's shuttlebay look like a transparent prism-shaped window of some sort. The recurring Surak in that series looked variously like the Oberth-class ship it was supposed to be, a miniature Excelsior-class ship, and an indistinct slab cluttered with radar dishes and other technological greebles. And then there's the Mirror Universe issue of the IDW Ongoing series that showed the TMP Enterprise in place of the Abrams version, and in another panel used the 1701-A registry (or was it B?) by mistake. So as a rule, I'd say it's best not to sweat the details when it comes to comic-book portrayals of Trek ships. __________________ Christopher L. Bennett Homepage -- Includes purchasing links for Only Superhuman, on sale now! Updated 12/30/12 with annotations for the novel. Written Worlds -- My blog

February 8 2013, 10:47 PM	#75
King Daniel into Darkness Admiral Location: KingDaniel has fallen Into Darkness (in England)	Re: Countdown to Darkness - Review and Discussion Hey, I did say it was most likely slightly reimagined - as in, that artist's version of the NX-class. And it was "1701-D" on the registry, written on a very unique saucer __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun video mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors. Episode One Episode Two