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Old February 6 2013, 03:00 PM   #16
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McCoy. Although I don't really agree with how they arrived at that the origin of his nickname. Although his introduction (that of his ex-wife having left him with nothing but his Bones) can be seen as somekind of cinema shorthand to clue an audience in quickly of who he is. In my mind (Yes, I know... fanon isn't canon), McCoy was called "Bones" because of "Sawbones", an old term for a Doctor serving in the military in historical times.
I humbly disagree.

I think the origin that Orci & Kurtzman came up with was brilliant (and those that know me know that I don't use Orci, Kurtzman and brilliant in the same sentence very often). The reason being that no one on the ship called McCoy "Bones" except Kirk. That to me suggests the nickname could be something private between the two men.

As in all things, your mileage may vary.
I would agree with you, save for the fact that it was Urban who came up with it!
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Old February 6 2013, 03:31 PM   #17
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McCoy. Although I don't really agree with how they arrived at that the origin of his nickname. Although his introduction (that of his ex-wife having left him with nothing but his Bones) can be seen as somekind of cinema shorthand to clue an audience in quickly of who he is. In my mind (Yes, I know... fanon isn't canon), McCoy was called "Bones" because of "Sawbones", an old term for a Doctor serving in the military in historical times.
I humbly disagree.

I think the origin that Orci & Kurtzman came up with was brilliant (and those that know me know that I don't use Orci, Kurtzman and brilliant in the same sentence very often). The reason being that no one on the ship called McCoy "Bones" except Kirk. That to me suggests the nickname could be something private between the two men.

As in all things, your mileage may vary.
I would agree with you, save for the fact that it was Urban who came up with it!
Sweet! Not I can retract my statement that Orci & Kurtzman did something brilliant.
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Old February 6 2013, 03:43 PM   #18
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I humbly disagree.

I think the origin that Orci & Kurtzman came up with was brilliant (and those that know me know that I don't use Orci, Kurtzman and brilliant in the same sentence very often). The reason being that no one on the ship called McCoy "Bones" except Kirk. That to me suggests the nickname could be something private between the two men.

As in all things, your mileage may vary.
I would agree with you, save for the fact that it was Urban who came up with it!
Sweet! Not I can retract my statement that Orci & Kurtzman did something brilliant.
Yeah, I think it was Abrams who said it in the movie's commentary that Urban came up with that while filming the scene, it was not scripted.
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Old February 6 2013, 08:11 PM   #19
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Yet again proving how awesome Urban is . Must see more of him in new one.
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Old February 6 2013, 09:11 PM   #20
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Kirk has explicitly changed from The Original Series - his father died, who we're told was his inspiration for joining Starfleet the first time around. The rest I put down to differences in actor interpretation and youth.

Spock is more volatile (although perhaps no more, having come to terms with himself), McCoy has some meat on his bones, Uhura's more driven, Scotty's more fiery, Chekov's somehow even more enthusiatic (and sprouted transporter skills) and Sulu brings his sword on away missions. Pike is no longer a sexist jerk.

I do wonder if Scotty Prime also beamed Admiral Archer's beagle into oblivion and spent time on Delta Vega....
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Old February 6 2013, 09:55 PM   #21
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Kirk has explicitly changed from The Original Series - his father died, who we're told was his inspiration for joining Starfleet the first time around. The rest I put down to differences in actor interpretation and youth.
Another Kirk observation. He also seems to be a bigger klutz. Banging heads on rafters etc. However, Kirk prime could have been a klutz as well I suppose in his youth.
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Old February 6 2013, 10:47 PM   #22
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Kirk has explicitly changed from The Original Series - his father died, who we're told was his inspiration for joining Starfleet the first time around. The rest I put down to differences in actor interpretation and youth.
Another Kirk observation. He also seems to be a bigger klutz. Banging heads on rafters etc. However, Kirk prime could have been a klutz as well I suppose in his youth.
To be fair, he was rather hungover. We've never seen Kirk Prime with a big hangover. As for those who say Spock is very different, I'm not so sure. How do we know Spock Prime did not react in much the same way as Spock regarding his appointment to the Vulcan Science Academy "despite your disadvantage"? We know Spock chose an unusual path--Starfleet--in each timeline. There is nothing to suggest he was any less "pissed off" in the original timeline. As for his subsequent "emotional" behaviour, well, there have been enough posts that reference things like "THE WOMEN", his smiling, his past with the woman from This Side of Paradise, the flirtations with Uhura in the early episodes, his smirking in early episodes, and others I'm surely forgetting, to point to a less than fully stoic Vulcan control over his feelings in the TOS era. That makes his even lower degree of stoicism understandable in ST09 as he is younger--and it is exacerbated by the experience of watching his mother die (something he was spared in the original timeline until much later).

In the end, I think Kirk is the most obviously changed character when we first meet him. Spock's experiences in the main body of the story set him up to be significantly changed going forward. McCoy seems pretty much the same, only younger. Scotty seems to be a more frivolous character, though youth comes into play there as well. The rest have very little to compare too, so are free to develop in various ways. All in all, apart from Kirk (and even there, there are many similarities with Kirk Prime), it's actually rather remarkable how they all resemble the prime characters, rather than deviate in nearly unrecognizable ways from them. Part of why I found the film so relatable to my memories and expectations of TOS-era Trek.
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Old February 6 2013, 10:49 PM   #23
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I think the origin that Orci & Kurtzman came up with was brilliant (and those that know me know that I don't use Orci, Kurtzman and brilliant in the same sentence very often).
According to Karl Urban, he adlibbed the "Bones" line at his audition, and everyone laughed so hard they added it to the script.

As with all the best nicknames that stick, they often have more than one meaning. Certainly the nicknames I had as a kid (and young adult) had several shades of meaning each, depending on who was saying, or overhearing, them.

BTW, Alan Dean Foster hated the "nothing left but my bones" reference and changed the line to "skeleton" in the movie's novelization.

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I think it was Abrams who said it in the movie's commentary that Urban came up with that while filming the scene, it was not scripted.
In the audition. According to Urban at a Sydney convention a few weeks after the film's release. During actual filming, the script was "locked" due to a writers' strike.
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Old February 6 2013, 11:09 PM   #24
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I'd go with McCoy he's not changed at all and loved how they explained in a little way why and how he got his nickname "Bones" !!!
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Old February 6 2013, 11:17 PM   #25
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Easily McCoy.
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Old February 7 2013, 06:59 AM   #26
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McCoy. He's practically the same. It's DeForrest reincarnated.

Kirk I think is totally different. Controversial maybe, but I think he's a bigger douche in this timeline. Shatner's Kirk had his douchey moments, but also his sensitive ones. Pine Kirk is very arrogant and douchey, and no wonder Spock wanted to punch him.
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Old February 7 2013, 07:30 AM   #27
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To be fair, he was rather hungover. We've never seen Kirk Prime with a big hangover.
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Well, he seemed pretty hungover in TUC:

"You know anything about a radiation surge?"
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Old February 7 2013, 04:15 PM   #28
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Well, he seemed pretty hungover in TUC:

"You know anything about a radiation surge?"
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There were also several other scenes where he came accross at least to me a little klutzie e.g. running form the monster on the planet where Spock prime was on and Scotty.

Just an impression.
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Old February 9 2013, 07:09 PM   #29
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When running from monsters, you're more concerned with getting away than scoring style points.
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Old February 10 2013, 01:53 AM   #30
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He didn't do one rolly-polly nor any zig-zagging during his evasive maneuvers vs. Baby Cloverfield. Clearly, a very different Kirk.
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