RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 140,229
Posts: 5,438,262
Members: 24,957
Currently online: 614
Newest member: zanejc

TrekToday headlines

Cumberbatch In Wax
By: T'Bonz on Oct 24

Trek Screenwriter Washington D.C. Appearance
By: T'Bonz on Oct 23

Two Official Starships Collection Ships
By: T'Bonz on Oct 22

Pine In New Skit
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

Stewart In Holiday Film
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

The Red Shirt Diaries #8
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

IDW Publishing January Comics
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

Retro Review: Chrysalis
By: Michelle on Oct 18

The Next Generation Season Seven Blu-ray Details
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

CBS Launches Streaming Service
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek TV Series > The Next Generation

The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old February 6 2013, 12:59 PM   #1
SimpleLogic
Guest
 
Away Teams

So I get why a captain shouldn't always beam into an unknown place, but isn't it equally as foolish to have the entire command staff go instead? Seems like every time they beam down they have everyone but the captain go.
  Reply With Quote
Old February 6 2013, 01:06 PM   #2
Creepy Critter
Admiral
 
Creepy Critter's Avatar
 
Location: Kentucky
Re: Away Teams

Back on TOS it was clear cut.

Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, Uhura, Sulu, and Chekov could all safely beam down together, because if there was any actual danger, they were conveniently accompanied by a contingent of redshirts who could stand in front of them.

---

No seriously, the OP is absolutely right. Sending the first officer plus command staff is just as bad as sending the captain.

For realism's sake, they should have had separate away team specialists all the way, something like "science marines," with the only bridge officer among them being the away team commander. But that would have entailed a radical change in the show's format and a highly ensemble cast.
__________________
CorporalCaptain
Creepy Critter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 6 2013, 01:14 PM   #3
Loskene
Lieutenant Junior Grade
 
Re: Away Teams

Enterprise is in reality very short staffed. It has about a dozen crew who pilot the ship, run engineering and give commands, six or seven rotating security officers, a doctor with a couple of nurses and one thousand people who push buttons or walk towards buttons to push.

If those buttons are not pushed the ship will explode so the less important have to make do beaming down.
Loskene is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 6 2013, 01:15 PM   #4
SimpleLogic
Guest
 
Re: Away Teams

CorporalCaptain wrote: View Post
For realism's sake, they should have had separate away team specialists all the way, something like "science marines," with the only bridge officer among them being the away team commander. But that would have entailed a radical change in the show's format and a highly ensemble cast.
True, I just find it funny that Riker is like, "No captain it is too dangerous for you,. Come on Data, Geordi, Worf, Crusher, Yar, Pulaski, Troi, Crusher, Guinan, O'Brien, Ro, Quark, Kim, Spock, Gowron, Sela..."
  Reply With Quote
Old February 6 2013, 04:44 PM   #5
Worf'sParmach
Commander
 
Worf'sParmach's Avatar
 
Location: Plano, TX
Re: Away Teams

SimpleLogic wrote: View Post

True, I just find it funny that Riker is like, "No captain it is too dangerous for you,. Come on Data, Geordi, Worf, Crusher, Yar, Pulaski, Troi, Crusher, Guinan, O'Brien, Ro, Quark, Kim, Spock, Gowron, Sela..."
__________________
Obsessing over every detail in the Star Trek Universe since the 1990s
Check out my fanfic (pretty please ): http://www.fanfiction.net/~ginomo
Worf'sParmach is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 6 2013, 04:57 PM   #6
Flake
Commodore
 
Location: Manchester, UK
Re: Away Teams

At the end of Datalore in TNG someone calls for security to help defeat Lore and who turns up phasers at the ready? Picard, Riker and Yar :P

Infact I think they would have androids everywhere by the 24th century but Trek cant do that now because of star wars. They can do the dirty work so Picard can put his feet up and sip Tea.
Flake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 6 2013, 05:14 PM   #7
Pavonis
Commodore
 
Re: Away Teams

Enterprise (any of them) is overstaffed. The producers of the series (any of the series) should have had a smaller crew if they wanted to justify the main characters participating in the dangerous situation of the week without the likes of us wondering where the rest of the crew is and why they're not along.
Pavonis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 6 2013, 06:29 PM   #8
Dr. Sevrin
Vice Admiral
 
Dr. Sevrin's Avatar
 
Location: Melakon's grave
Re: Away Teams

To rationalize the bridge crew always on away missions, the Enterprise would have had to be the size of 1936's Flash Gordon rocketships.
__________________
Dr. Sevrin is insane.
Dr. Sevrin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 6 2013, 06:39 PM   #9
Bigjoe
Lieutenant Commander
 
Bigjoe's Avatar
 
Location: United Kingdom
Re: Away Teams

The show would have been a little dull if we had unknowns on away missions all the time.
Bigjoe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 6 2013, 07:05 PM   #10
USS Excelsior
Commodore
 
USS Excelsior's Avatar
 
Location: Alpha Quadrant
Re: Away Teams

But if they were on away teams all the time then they wouldn't be unknowns anymore!
USS Excelsior is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 6 2013, 07:23 PM   #11
Lance
Commodore
 
Lance's Avatar
 
Location: The Enterprise's Restroom
Re: Away Teams

I always found it amusing that they had this pretense where Picard would give Riker the authority to pick and choose whomever he wanted to take with him... but nine times out of ten Number One would just pick Worf and Data anyway. I can imagine Ensign Crumbum in the background thinking "Geez... and I was so sure he was gonna pick me over the android and the Klingon this time!".
Lance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 6 2013, 08:41 PM   #12
USS Excelsior
Commodore
 
USS Excelsior's Avatar
 
Location: Alpha Quadrant
Re: Away Teams

Obviously it's convenient for the TV show. You wouldn't need that many crew members and certainly not anyone doing manual labour or physical security.

If you wanted to repair the ship it should be more like how that Repair Station did it with high speed and automation, and replicating replacement parts along the way.
USS Excelsior is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 6 2013, 08:58 PM   #13
Dale Sams
Fleet Captain
 
Dale Sams's Avatar
 
Re: Away Teams

The problem is that TNG tries to make TOS look silly, and as you say replicates the problem...when it really wasn't silly of TOS to let Kirk on the away teams. If TOS is..say...British explorer ships, then most of the TOS away team selections make perfect sense. Whereas TNG are modern warships, and of course you arn't going to see Captain Picard of the Aircraft Carrier Midway disembarking to fight some terrorists.

I don't know where that leaves Archer...a Polynesian canoe chief?
Dale Sams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 6 2013, 09:14 PM   #14
Trek or Treat!
Rear Admiral
 
Trek or Treat!'s Avatar
 
Location: going batty
Re: Away Teams

SimpleLogic wrote: View Post
CorporalCaptain wrote: View Post
For realism's sake, they should have had separate away team specialists all the way, something like "science marines," with the only bridge officer among them being the away team commander. But that would have entailed a radical change in the show's format and a highly ensemble cast.
True, I just find it funny that Riker is like, "No captain it is too dangerous for you,. Come on Data, Geordi, Worf, Crusher, Yar, Pulaski, Troi, Crusher, Guinan, O'Brien, Ro, Quark, Kim, Spock, Gowron, Sela..."
The captain often orders the XO to take a “minimal away team” — typically the android and the Klingon to avoid risking any more real people — when the situation is deemed especially dangerous.

In the more common case, the situation is deemed relatively safe and the bulk of the command staff may be included on the away team. Though the situation isn’t especially dangerous, there is a possibility of a catastrophe resulting in the loss of the entire away team. In that event, the captain is the person best qualified to oversee continuing ship operations and assemble a new command staff.

It’s kind of similar to the USA Continuity of Government policy, “During large, pan-government events, such as the State of the Union Address, and presidential inaugurations, one member of the Cabinet is removed to a remote, safe, COG-designated location.” Only in this case it’s the captain rather than a Cabinet member.
__________________
Captrek
Trek or Treat! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old February 6 2013, 10:03 PM   #15
Geoff Peterson
Fleet Admiral
 
Geoff Peterson's Avatar
 
Location: 20 feet from an outlet
Re: Away Teams

Hey! Androids and Klingons are real people too!!!!!!
__________________
Nerys Myk
Geoff Peterson is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 08:24 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.