Giving Enterprise another chance - Page 4

BruntFCA · January 20 2013, 07:15 AM

JirinPanthosa wrote:

Watching Doctor's Orders, and...it's the exact same episode as Voyager's 'One'. The exact same episode. Only less interesting because we already know we can trust Phlox and it's four days, not a whole month. I like being around people too but I can handle four freaking days. Who greenlit this episode?

I just assume that they needed a script quick but who the hell knows. Doctors Orders is actually one of my favorite ENT episodes based solely on the fact that Phlox is my favorite character but the blatant recycling of a VOY script is pretty ridiculous.

NeedsOfTheMany · January 21 2013, 04:16 AM

Repeats are a constant in the Trek Universe, I can't count how many times TNG crew ran into an anomaly that either altered time, altered there perception, brought someone from the past or future into contact with them etc..

Great episode even though it is a copy, liked Phlox and got to see a little bit about his personality.

Ryva Brall · January 21 2013, 08:45 PM

controlfreak wrote:

I'm not sure I understand rewatching something you obviously hated just to make sure you still hate it. It seems like a colossal waste of time and energy, though I suppose if you're starting to appreciate it more this go 'round, more power to ya..

I didn't like Enterprise when it was new, so I quit watching after the second season. But I've been thinking about giving it another try. Not to make sure I still don't like it, but to see if maybe I judged it too harshly the first time. After all, I wasn't crazy about DS9 when it was new, but I think I was too young to appreciate it at the time. But when I re-watched it, it became my favorite Trek series.

lurok · January 21 2013, 08:50 PM

Sindatur wrote:

On the other hand, my recent rewatch all the way through of TNG (First time straight through, though I've seen many reruns here and there) I found I thought a greater percentage of it was pretty average compared to what I was expecting.

I found it below-average.

As for Manny Coto. Praise be.

Anji · January 28 2013, 01:24 AM

Episodes of ENT may be salvagable with some serious re-editing to make the plots more concise, but....

JirinPanthosa · February 6 2013, 02:48 AM

I started a new cycle of TNG a little while ago. I found I didn't remember why I loved the series so much until I got to Q Who.

Just watched E2. What the hell, I thought Voyager was over the top with the time traveling. There's such a thing as 'Putting a hat on a hat'. We already have a storyline where 27th century time travelers told 22nd century Xindi that 25th century humans destroyed their planet so they could terraform the galaxy or whatever, and it's already been established that 30th century humans are watching all this and somehow incorruptibly using their godlike time travel people to oversee the history of time and nobody ever abuses this power.

So now we have even more time traveling on top of this, and a concept that's an inferior and obvious hack of Children of Time?

This story could have worked really well if they chose one time travel paradox and stuck with it.

Melakon · February 6 2013, 03:27 AM

I got my series collection today, so I'll slowly be playing catch up. The plan is to allow only 2 hours a day, though that might fall through before the weekend.

ChristopherPike · February 6 2013, 04:14 AM

I'm looking forward to the Blu ray of Season One and haven't looked at the episodes for ages. Although I did used to regularly rewatch when I first got ENT on DVD. I just lost a bit of interest in Star Trek overall these past few years. Occasionally catching a TOS or one of the films. So I'll have to see whether my opinion's changed much. I was a huge fan by Season 3 and immensely disappointed over the cancellation. Then the last episode didn't help. I'll have to see if I still like "Broken Bow" as much as I remember and hate that one with the slime creature in the cargo bay, that interupts Archer and Trip from watching water polo.

What were they thinking with that sport for the Captain? Basketball would've worked better and had more mainstream respect. Water polo is just a little too unheard of, and hard for me to relate to. I guess a combination of throwing a ball and drowning at the same time, is really going to take off next century.

Melakon · February 6 2013, 04:44 AM

ChristopherPike wrote:

What were they thinking with that sport for the Captain? Basketball would've worked better and had more mainstream respect. Water polo is just a little too unheard of, and hard for me to relate to. I guess a combination of throwing a ball and drowning at the same time, is really going to take off next century.

Well wait a minute now. What was that Olympic event last year, with two teams of women in the pool? And the underwater cameras got angles of dirty fighting and trying to pull opponent's suits off? Wasn't that pretty popular at the time?

ChristopherPike · February 6 2013, 05:37 AM

Melakon wrote:

Well wait a minute now. What was that Olympic event last year, with two teams of women in the pool? And the underwater cameras got angles of dirty fighting and trying to pull opponent's suits off? Wasn't that pretty popular at the time?

Oh, that's such a transparent ploy. The promise of wrestling women splashing about like that. You'll never get me interested in that sport. It's much too priviledged. Like regular non aquatic polo. I can't afford a pool or a horse! Or a women, come to think of it. Just a metal hoop bolted into a wall.

Skywalker · February 6 2013, 05:54 AM

I found the water polo thing a bit odd, too, but according to Memory Alpha, Berman added it in because his son played. Bakula lobbied the writers to also give Archer an interest in lacrosse, but it never happened.

teacake · February 6 2013, 07:01 AM

I liked the water polo thing. Nice to think some other sport other than the dominant ones of this century are a big deal in the future.

TOO BAD WE NEVER SAW ARCHER IN THE POOL.

geez, missed opportunities.

Skywalker · February 6 2013, 07:14 AM

I'll still never forgive DS9 for driving baseball to extinction. It's still my favorite of the Treks, but I just pretend that that part never happened.

Melakon · February 6 2013, 07:50 AM

According to TNG, television died out around the same time. In the ultimate mindscrew, The Franchise makes itself extinct by this, but kept going a few more years.

JirinPanthosa · February 10 2013, 03:41 AM

I like the way they ended season three and resolved the Xindi arc, though the Xindi change of heart seemed maybe a little too easy.

I think the reptilians are really just a bunch of morons.

January 21 2013, 04:16 AM	#47
NeedsOfTheMany Lieutenant Junior Grade Location: Texas	Re: Giving Enterprise another chance Repeats are a constant in the Trek Universe, I can't count how many times TNG crew ran into an anomaly that either altered time, altered there perception, brought someone from the past or future into contact with them etc.. Great episode even though it is a copy, liked Phlox and got to see a little bit about his personality.

January 28 2013, 01:24 AM	#50
Anji Rear Admiral Location: Assisting in the birth of baby Horta on Janus VI	Re: Giving Enterprise another chance Episodes of ENT may be salvagable with some serious re-editing to make the plots more concise, but.... __________________ "You may be wrong, but you may be right." - Billy Joel

February 6 2013, 02:48 AM	#51
JirinPanthosa Captain	Re: Giving Enterprise another chance I started a new cycle of TNG a little while ago. I found I didn't remember why I loved the series so much until I got to Q Who. Just watched E2. What the hell, I thought Voyager was over the top with the time traveling. There's such a thing as 'Putting a hat on a hat'. We already have a storyline where 27th century time travelers told 22nd century Xindi that 25th century humans destroyed their planet so they could terraform the galaxy or whatever, and it's already been established that 30th century humans are watching all this and somehow incorruptibly using their godlike time travel people to oversee the history of time and nobody ever abuses this power. So now we have even more time traveling on top of this, and a concept that's an inferior and obvious hack of Children of Time? This story could have worked really well if they chose one time travel paradox and stuck with it.

February 6 2013, 03:27 AM	#52
Melakon Commodore Location: Unmarked grave, Ekos	Re: Giving Enterprise another chance I got my series collection today, so I'll slowly be playing catch up. The plan is to allow only 2 hours a day, though that might fall through before the weekend. __________________ "Every time you think, you weaken the nation." --Moe Howard

February 6 2013, 04:14 AM	#53
ChristopherPike Rear Admiral	Re: Giving Enterprise another chance I'm looking forward to the Blu ray of Season One and haven't looked at the episodes for ages. Although I did used to regularly rewatch when I first got ENT on DVD. I just lost a bit of interest in Star Trek overall these past few years. Occasionally catching a TOS or one of the films. So I'll have to see whether my opinion's changed much. I was a huge fan by Season 3 and immensely disappointed over the cancellation. Then the last episode didn't help. I'll have to see if I still like "Broken Bow" as much as I remember and hate that one with the slime creature in the cargo bay, that interupts Archer and Trip from watching water polo. What were they thinking with that sport for the Captain? Basketball would've worked better and had more mainstream respect. Water polo is just a little too unheard of, and hard for me to relate to. I guess a combination of throwing a ball and drowning at the same time, is really going to take off next century. __________________ STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE Tribute ►http://youtu.be/myS87yTTDes

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February 6 2013, 05:54 AM	#56
Skywalker Admiral	Re: Giving Enterprise another chance I found the water polo thing a bit odd, too, but according to Memory Alpha, Berman added it in because his son played. Bakula lobbied the writers to also give Archer an interest in lacrosse, but it never happened.

February 6 2013, 07:01 AM	#57
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Giving Enterprise another chance I liked the water polo thing. Nice to think some other sport other than the dominant ones of this century are a big deal in the future. TOO BAD WE NEVER SAW ARCHER IN THE POOL. geez, missed opportunities. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

February 6 2013, 07:14 AM	#58
Skywalker Admiral	Re: Giving Enterprise another chance I'll still never forgive DS9 for driving baseball to extinction. It's still my favorite of the Treks, but I just pretend that that part never happened.

February 6 2013, 07:50 AM	#59
Melakon Commodore Location: Unmarked grave, Ekos	Re: Giving Enterprise another chance According to TNG, television died out around the same time. In the ultimate mindscrew, The Franchise makes itself extinct by this, but kept going a few more years. __________________ "Every time you think, you weaken the nation." --Moe Howard

February 10 2013, 03:41 AM	#60
JirinPanthosa Captain	Re: Giving Enterprise another chance I like the way they ended season three and resolved the Xindi arc, though the Xindi change of heart seemed maybe a little too easy. I think the reptilians are really just a bunch of morons.