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Old February 4 2013, 10:02 PM   #61
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That's not really true. The gimmick helped, but the Wii's success wasn't based solely or even mostly on that. Instead, it succeeded largely due to price and appeal to more casual gamers. It's the "family console," and had a lot of games designed to be played by up to four people. Sony and Microsoft had the hardcore market locked up between them, so Nintendo wisely went after an entirely different demographic. It paid off big time for them.

They don't seem to be modifying that strategy substantially this generation, either, they've just added some more social features, new peripherals, and somewhat better graphics hardware. They're still going after the cost-conscious casual market.
The console is $300-$350 depending if you go for the pointless basic package and the games are $60. I don't see how that is cost-conscious.

I'm not really seeing the family focus on the Wii U unless there's more to their online efforts I'm not seeing.
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Old February 4 2013, 10:34 PM   #62
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All because of luck? I don't think that's entirely fair.
It's just a theory and I don't have any strong evidence for it, but I don't think Sony has ever had anything idea what they're doing. They just stumbled into good fortunate despite their incompetence and arrogantly believe that it was because of their genius.

I'm not really seeing the family focus on the Wii U unless there's more to their online efforts I'm not seeing.
Family focus has nothing to do with online gaming. It's about getting people together in the same room. That's been their focus with the Wii and Wii U since day one.
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Old February 5 2013, 01:22 AM   #63
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Family focus has nothing to do with online gaming. It's about getting people together in the same room. That's been their focus with the Wii and Wii U since day one.
I'm honestly not trying to be contrarian here but as I don't have one how is the Wii U going about that?
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Old February 5 2013, 01:36 AM   #64
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I don't have one either, but Nintendo Land is supposed to be a pretty awesome party game. And of course the 4 player co-op Mario games are incredibly popular.
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Old February 5 2013, 01:54 AM   #65
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That's not really true. The gimmick helped, but the Wii's success wasn't based solely or even mostly on that. Instead, it succeeded largely due to price and appeal to more casual gamers. It's the "family console," and had a lot of games designed to be played by up to four people. Sony and Microsoft had the hardcore market locked up between them, so Nintendo wisely went after an entirely different demographic. It paid off big time for them.

They don't seem to be modifying that strategy substantially this generation, either, they've just added some more social features, new peripherals, and somewhat better graphics hardware. They're still going after the cost-conscious casual market.
The cost concious casual gamers are content to game on their smartphones and tablets. This is why Nintendo's strategy is flawed. A lot of the core gamers feel alienated by Nintendo and I honestly don't know what they can do to get that trust back.

Iwata just announced earnings after the first quarter of WiiU sales. He had to lower sales estimates going forward due to disappointing WiiU sales.

I'm rooting for Nintendo, I really am, but whether I buy a WiiU or not depends on what Sony and Microsoft do over the next year. I'll know more after the Playstation 2013 event.
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Old February 5 2013, 02:08 AM   #66
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The cost concious casual gamers are content to game on their smartphones and tablets.
Smartphones and tablets are not good for games when you visit your parents for Christmas. You can't play Angry Birds with your kids on your phones. You can't get together with a group of friends and laugh your asses off while playing Smash Bros. or Mario Kart on your phones.

Oh, Nintendo's strategy is far from flawed. They won't do quite as well as they did with the Wii, but they know what they're doing.
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Old February 5 2013, 09:31 PM   #67
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Smartphones and tablets are not good for games when you visit your parents for Christmas. You can't play Angry Birds with your kids on your phones. You can't get together with a group of friends and laugh your asses off while playing Smash Bros. or Mario Kart on your phones.
A great point, one great advantage the Wii uses is the real life interaction that its games bring to the players, in contrast to Xbox and PS games which no longer support local multiplayer. It moves against the flow of social interaction, something society in general is in desperate need of saving.
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Old February 5 2013, 09:41 PM   #68
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That's not really true. The gimmick helped, but the Wii's success wasn't based solely or even mostly on that. Instead, it succeeded largely due to price and appeal to more casual gamers. It's the "family console," and had a lot of games designed to be played by up to four people. Sony and Microsoft had the hardcore market locked up between them, so Nintendo wisely went after an entirely different demographic. It paid off big time for them.

They don't seem to be modifying that strategy substantially this generation, either, they've just added some more social features, new peripherals, and somewhat better graphics hardware. They're still going after the cost-conscious casual market.
The cost concious casual gamers are content to game on their smartphones and tablets. This is why Nintendo's strategy is flawed. A lot of the core gamers feel alienated by Nintendo and I honestly don't know what they can do to get that trust back.

Iwata just announced earnings after the first quarter of WiiU sales. He had to lower sales estimates going forward due to disappointing WiiU sales.

I'm rooting for Nintendo, I really am, but whether I buy a WiiU or not depends on what Sony and Microsoft do over the next year. I'll know more after the Playstation 2013 event.
I used to be a huge Nintendo fan, especially the Mario, Zelda and Metroid titles, but truthfully, most of the third party titles on their systems nowadays are garbage, and I'm not buying another Nintendo system for three or four games.

I'd really love to see Nintendo go the Sega route and get out of the console business and focus solely on games, which is what they're best at. Imagine playing a Legend of Zelda or Metroid on the PlayStation 4 or Xbox 720.
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Old February 5 2013, 09:43 PM   #69
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I'd really love to see Nintendo go the Sega route and get out of the console business and focus solely on games, which is what they're best at. Imagine playing a Legend of Zelda or Metroid on the PlayStation 4 or Xbox 720.
I think I just threw up a little inside.
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Old February 5 2013, 10:05 PM   #70
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I long for the day of the ultimate console that can play any game from any platform, with the possibility to upgrade the hardware components module by module, and with an SDK. You could constantly update it on both the software and hardware side.
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Old February 5 2013, 10:06 PM   #71
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out of the console business and focus solely on games, which is what they're best at.
What are universally considered the two best consoles of all-time were both made by Nintendo. The most successful gaming device of all-time was made by Nintendo.

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That's called a PC.
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Old February 5 2013, 10:58 PM   #73
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Dreamcast too. They were all the same generation but what happened was Dreamcast came out well in advance and a lot of people were waiting on the PS2 before buying. Also the Dreamcast was very easy to pirate for and lost out very quickly.
I remember the Dreamcast had the only decent version of Gauntlet Legends ever released on home game systems. If there's any more recent versions, I'm not aware of them. Although it might get me to buy a game console!
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Old February 6 2013, 12:52 AM   #74
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out of the console business and focus solely on games, which is what they're best at.
What are universally considered the two best consoles of all-time were both made by Nintendo. The most successful gaming device of all-time was made by Nintendo.

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Ummm... The only console to sell more than the original Playstation is the Playstation 2... Third is the Wii. Even though the PS4 is about to be announced, the PS3 will likely be on te market for another 4 years and significantly cut in price... The 360 and PS3 could possibly pass the Wii when it's all said and done.

But ultimately, I agree with you. The SNES has a special place in most gamer's hearts and as long as Iwata is CEO of Nintendo, they will always pursue the hardware business. I just don't know how wise it is though.

Mark my words... 1 or more of the current 3 major console makers will not be in the console business 2 console generations from now. Could be Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft... Or even all three. I hope all three can adapt in this rapidly changing environment, but I fear for the changes ahead.

Like I said, I think they could make a lot more by coming together and establishing a gaming console standard and license te shit out of it to manufacturers like Samsung, Toshiba, etc, much the same way the Blu-ray consortium licenses Blu-ray player tech to all te Blu-ray player manufacturers. These consoles would play all games. Just imagine a machine that plays Mario, Uncharted and Gears of War?? It would be great for developers and the licensors and the public.
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