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Old February 5 2013, 09:17 PM   #136
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Re: I hope for more traditional space battles

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I'm not sure a film like that would be a big hit in the current market, much like TMP would flounder in the current market.
And as yours is the deciding voice, what with you working in a high ranking position in the film industry, that's the end of that discussion.
Do you really think films like The Motion Picture or The Voyage Home would do as well in today's market? It's not a commentary on quality, but more about what today's audience is looking for in a sci-fi film.
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Old February 5 2013, 09:19 PM   #137
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Sarcasm directed against an observant statement that you don't happen to like certainly doesn't reopen it.
We're not actually pitching ideas to high ranking film execs. We're messing about online bouncing ideas around. There is no risk.

Killjoy statements about what studios expect or what the audience cares about or what puts asses in seats serve little purpose other than to piss on others chips.

Or, 'no'.

Whichever you prefer.
So this isn't an open conversation, we're just here to jerk-off to the 'glory days' of Trek?
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Old February 5 2013, 09:22 PM   #138
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here is a space battle in Abrams trek

http://www.cardassiaprimera.com.ar/S...-XI-Battle.jpg
here is a space battle in first contact

http://mimg.ugo.com/201008/55233/cut...55_480x270.jpg

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no more of this:

http://www.davidbarrkirtley.com/imag...2009screen.jpg

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It actually reminds me of this

http://mattsmoviethoughts.files.word...9/movie_bg.jpg

as opposed to this

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iBuNz7Kv1j.../StarWars1.jpg

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Infern0, you've been asked before not to hotlink images from web space which is not yours, and you've here hotlinked from several different pages not belonging to you. This earns you a warning for hotlinking; comments to PM, and don't do that any more.
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Old February 5 2013, 09:24 PM   #139
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So this isn't an open conversation about Trek
No, it's a business meeting apparently.
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Old February 5 2013, 09:25 PM   #140
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So this isn't an open conversation about Trek
No, it's a business meeting apparently.
I'm not the one trying to tell people what they can and cannot discuss.
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Old February 5 2013, 09:31 PM   #141
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Come on, you don't want to see Cumberbatch respond, "Everything" to Kirk's query?
Cumberbatch is why I hold out hope. It's no secret that I fucking hate Nero. I think he's the worst villain in the history of Star Trek. His motives are non-existent ("A Vulcan risked his life to save my wife in time but he was slightly too late so I'm gonna blow up Earth!" WTF!), Eric Bana's performance was Razzie worthy ("FIYUHHH!") and why exactly was he chilling around for 25 years doing nothing?

There is no way but up from Nero as far as I'm concerned and Cumberbatch seems to be delivering as far as the performance goes.
You've also described Soran, the Sona, and Shinzon.

"I'm crazy for some reason and will kill millions of people to get what I want" has been the MO for Star Trek for the past 20 years. You're complaining because it's the same way it's always been...it's just that cinematography has changed since the 80s and gfx have gotten better.
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Old February 5 2013, 09:33 PM   #142
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I cringe at the militant JJ Abrams fawners' posts generally ("Trek should be as much like Mission: Impossible III as it can be!" ) but I'd agree the opening attack on the Kelvin in 2009 is a good sequence. It's a shame the final act of the movie is insanely forgettable and hard to follow in comparison.

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I'd say your five least favorite things are:

5. Lawrence Miles
4. Yourself
3. RTD
2. Generations
1. Nero
Lawrence Miles wrote at least 3 good Doctor Who books so I wouldn't lump him in there. Replace him with George Takei. I fucking hate George Takei.

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DS9 was a pretentious bore most of the time, which probably had something to do with its continually declining ratings for seven years; it was the first Trek series to exhibit that pattern.
If you think Star Trek should be as cookie cutter simplistic as possible, it stands to reason you'd hate DS9.
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I'm so sorry about how low your standards have gotten.
Your posts contain more substance than drooling all over JJ Abrams and declaring every piece of Star Trek before his movie shit, so you win by default.
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Who thinks that Modern Trek was a flop?
My Name Is Legion has repeatedly expressed the belief that audiences refuse to accept anybody other than Kirk and Spock and brings up the other show's declining viewing figures. Even though TOS was the quickest live-action Trek show to be cancelled and TNG was a genuine pop culture phenomena. It's an argument that is utterly sound, provided you don't think about it and instead focus on JJ Abrams' lush features.
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Old February 5 2013, 09:34 PM   #143
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So this isn't an open conversation about Trek
No, it's a business meeting apparently.
I'm not the one trying to tell people what they can and cannot discuss.
No, but you're doing a great job of discouraging certain avenues.

We know what's likely to be successful / non-successful. It doesn't need spelling out every time someone makes a "You know what I'd like to see..." post.
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Old February 5 2013, 09:36 PM   #144
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I'm not sure a film like that would be a big hit in the current market, much like TMP would flounder in the current market.
And as yours is the deciding voice, what with you working in a high ranking position in the film industry, that's the end of that discussion.
Do you really think films like The Motion Picture or The Voyage Home would do as well in today's market? It's not a commentary on quality, but more about what today's audience is looking for in a sci-fi film.
In the current comic-action craze, I'd even wonder how well movies like "ET", "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", or "Back to the Future" would do, right now.
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Old February 5 2013, 09:37 PM   #145
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You're complaining because it's the same way it's always been...it's just that cinematography has changed since the 80s and gfx have gotten better.
Am I? OK then, thanks for telling me .
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Old February 5 2013, 09:41 PM   #146
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No, it's a business meeting apparently.
I'm not the one trying to tell people what they can and cannot discuss.
No, but you're doing a great job of discouraging certain avenues.

We know what's likely to be successful / non-successful. It doesn't need spelling out every time someone makes a "You know what I'd like to see..." post.
Why not? If people can't handle realistic criticism every time they post that they want to see a "post-24th-century Trek with Borg, Romulans, etc.", then they shouldn't bother posting, because that's how people are going to respond.
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Old February 5 2013, 09:42 PM   #147
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And as yours is the deciding voice, what with you working in a high ranking position in the film industry, that's the end of that discussion.
Do you really think films like The Motion Picture or The Voyage Home would do as well in today's market? It's not a commentary on quality, but more about what today's audience is looking for in a sci-fi film.
In the current comic-action craze, I'd even wonder how well movies like "ET", "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", or "Back to the Future" would do, right now.
About as well as Super 8, decent but not spectacular, I'd wager (as Super 8 is the closest thing to those--especially Close Encounters--that's been released recently).
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Old February 5 2013, 09:42 PM   #148
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Even though TOS was the quickest live-action Trek show to be cancelled and TNG was a genuine pop culture phenomena
You truly don't comprehend what an impact the original Star Trek had?
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Old February 5 2013, 09:44 PM   #149
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I'm not the one trying to tell people what they can and cannot discuss.
No, but you're doing a great job of discouraging certain avenues.

We know what's likely to be successful / non-successful. It doesn't need spelling out every time someone makes a "You know what I'd like to see..." post.
Why not? If people can't handle realistic criticism every time they post that they want to see a "post-24th-century Trek with Borg, Romulans, etc.", then they shouldn't bother posting, because that's how people are going to respond.
Yep. If being disagreed with discourages people, that's unfortunate.
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Old February 5 2013, 09:44 PM   #150
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No, it's a business meeting apparently.
I'm not the one trying to tell people what they can and cannot discuss.
No, but you're doing a great job of discouraging certain avenues.

We know what's likely to be successful / non-successful. It doesn't need spelling out every time someone makes a "You know what I'd like to see..." post.
I think it does for certain people who can't let go of the past.

I too would love a new film that was like The Motion Picture, but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking it'll happen anytime soon. Or that because I like movies like that, I'm above people who like the Abramsverse. Or that my taste in entertainment is somehow more worthy.
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