I hope for more traditional space battles - Page 3

CorporalCaptain · February 5 2013, 02:15 PM

I don't want new stuff to be just like things I've already seen; when I want that old stuff, I already have my greatest hits disks at home that I can loop through as many times as I want.

I want new stuff to be—new!

Star Trek (2009) brought new and exciting visualizations to the franchise. I hope Into Darkness will do the same.

The Mirrorball Man · February 5 2013, 02:17 PM

Sky wrote:

Infern0 wrote:

I like the Abrams trek just fine but I don't subscribe to the same level of worship that a lot do on here namely "The Abrams way is the right way"

No no, the only way. They'd rather have a "brain haemorhage" than be sujected to anything else.

(I find this level of

fanboyism highly entertaining.

)

In case you're referring to me, what I actually said was: "I'd rather have a brain hemmorhage than be subjected to anything that old Trek fans would describe as "traditional".", which, you may now realize belatedly, includes millions of possibilities besides anything that Abrams could come up with.

Even though you misunderstood what I said, I'm glad I managed to entertain you anyway.

DalekJim · February 5 2013, 02:28 PM

I cringe at the militant JJ Abrams fawners' posts generally ("Trek should be as much like Mission: Impossible III as it can be!"

) but I'd agree the opening attack on the Kelvin in 2009 is a good sequence. It's a shame the final act of the movie is insanely forgettable and hard to follow in comparison.

The First Contact opening battle is good but it's the show-stopping action on the ship exterior later on in the film that stands out more. Much more memorable than any of the action on Nero's ship.

The Mirrorball Man · February 5 2013, 02:34 PM

DalekJim wrote:

I cringe at the militant JJ Abrams fawners' posts generally ("Trek should be as much like Mission: Impossible III as it can be!"

)

Who said that?

Flying Spaghetti Monster · February 5 2013, 02:41 PM

I think I see his point. Regardless of any contrivances in the battle itself, there are no abundant lens flares or shakiness in the camera work of the FC battle. Even in the more battle in Sacrifice of Angels, you can still make out the ships and what they are doing, and it doesn't look like they smeared Vaseline on the lens.

Admiral Buzzkill · February 5 2013, 03:11 PM

The ships are shooting at each other. I think that's abundantly clear in any of these things.

The difference is that in Abrams's version, it looks dangerous and as if people might get hurt.

Trek's never going back to the kind of stiff formality that it had degenerated into - in terms of characterization (as Marina Sirtis once said, "We don't converse, we hit our marks and declaim") or visually. That's a good thing, whether it's Abrams calling the shots or another modern director.

anh165 · February 5 2013, 03:14 PM

It's pretty clear the Kelvin is getting overwhelmed by a far superior enemy in a mad unprecedented fashion which leaves the Kelvin's crew stunned - how much clearer can it be?

To compare anything from DS9 to the high quality and thrills in ST 2009 is embarassing - it is as I said earlier, space battles in TNG/DS9/Voy are akin to pet fish swimming in a tank.

DalekJim · February 5 2013, 03:17 PM

Well, I'd say Deep Space 9 did everything better than Star Trek 2009, what with it being the best Star Trek series. And I'd be far from alone

.

Squiggy · February 5 2013, 03:18 PM

DalekJim wrote:

The First Contact opening battle is good but it's the show-stopping action on the ship exterior later on in the film that stands out more. Much more memorable than any of the action on Nero's ship.

You mean the slow walking and 3 phaser shots as Worf, Picard, and Lt. Redshirt input command codes? That show stopping action?

Nagisa Furukawa · February 5 2013, 03:18 PM

DalekJim wrote:

Well, I'd say Deep Space 9 did everything better than Star Trek 2009, what with it being the best Star Trek series. And I'd be far from alone

.

Holla!

DalekJim · February 5 2013, 03:20 PM

Nagisa Furukawa wrote:

DalekJim wrote:

Well, I'd say Deep Space 9 did everything better than Star Trek 2009, what with it being the best Star Trek series. And I'd be far from alone

.

Holla!

In the one corner we have Gul Dukat, the best developed and acted villain in all of Star Trek. In the other we have... Nero.

Tom Servo · February 5 2013, 03:22 PM

DalekJim wrote:

Nagisa Furukawa wrote:

DalekJim wrote:

Well, I'd say Deep Space 9 did everything better than Star Trek 2009, what with it being the best Star Trek series. And I'd be far from alone

.

Holla!

In the one corner we have Gul Dukat, the best developed and acted villain in all of Star Trek. In the other we have... Nero.

In one corner we have seven seasons worth of character development...in the other we have a two hour movie.

Worthy of comparison? YOU DECIDE!

Nagisa Furukawa · February 5 2013, 03:23 PM

DalekJim wrote:

In the other we have... Nero.

I'd say your five least favorite things are:

5. Lawrence Miles
4. Yourself
3. RTD
2. Generations
1. Nero

Admiral Buzzkill · February 5 2013, 03:26 PM

DS9 was a pretentious bore most of the time, which probably had something to do with its continually declining ratings for seven years; it was the first Trek series to exhibit that pattern.

DalekJim · February 5 2013, 03:27 PM

Nagisa Furukawa wrote:

I'd say your five least favorite things are:

5. Lawrence Miles
4. Yourself
3. RTD
2. Generations
1. Nero

Lawrence Miles wrote at least 3 good Doctor Who books so I wouldn't lump him in there. Replace him with George Takei. I fucking hate George Takei.

My Name Is Legion wrote:

DS9 was a pretentious bore most of the time, which probably had something to do with its continually declining ratings for seven years; it was the first Trek series to exhibit that pattern.

If you think Star Trek should be as cookie cutter simplistic as possible, it stands to reason you'd hate DS9.

February 5 2013, 02:15 PM	#31
CorporalCaptain Vice Admiral Location: In pre-production	Re: I hope for more traditional space battles I don't want new stuff to be just like things I've already seen; when I want that old stuff, I already have my greatest hits disks at home that I can loop through as many times as I want. I want new stuff to be—new! Star Trek (2009) brought new and exciting visualizations to the franchise. I hope Into Darkness will do the same. __________________ John Last edited by CorporalCaptain; February 5 2013 at 02:29 PM.

February 5 2013, 02:28 PM	#33
DalekJim Fleet Captain Location: Great Britain	Re: I hope for more traditional space battles I cringe at the militant JJ Abrams fawners' posts generally ("Trek should be as much like Mission: Impossible III as it can be!" ) but I'd agree the opening attack on the Kelvin in 2009 is a good sequence. It's a shame the final act of the movie is insanely forgettable and hard to follow in comparison. The First Contact opening battle is good but it's the show-stopping action on the ship exterior later on in the film that stands out more. Much more memorable than any of the action on Nero's ship. __________________ The Paradox Machine - My blog "Four things cannot be hidden - love, smoke, a pillar of fire and a man striding across the open bled." - Dune Messiah by Frank Herbert

February 5 2013, 02:41 PM	#35
Flying Spaghetti Monster Vice Admiral Location: Flying Spaghetti Western	Re: I hope for more traditional space battles I think I see his point. Regardless of any contrivances in the battle itself, there are no abundant lens flares or shakiness in the camera work of the FC battle. Even in the more battle in Sacrifice of Angels, you can still make out the ships and what they are doing, and it doesn't look like they smeared Vaseline on the lens. __________________ Life of Pi is the most pleasant film I've ever not cared at all for.

February 5 2013, 03:11 PM	#36
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: I hope for more traditional space battles The ships are shooting at each other. I think that's abundantly clear in any of these things. The difference is that in Abrams's version, it looks dangerous and as if people might get hurt. Trek's never going back to the kind of stiff formality that it had degenerated into - in terms of characterization (as Marina Sirtis once said, "We don't converse, we hit our marks and declaim") or visually. That's a good thing, whether it's Abrams calling the shots or another modern director. __________________ I had steak and a loaded baked potato for dinner on Sunday. As a steak I enjoyed it a lot, but as macaroni and cheese I thought it was disappointing.

February 5 2013, 03:14 PM	#37
anh165 Lieutenant Commander	Re: I hope for more traditional space battles It's pretty clear the Kelvin is getting overwhelmed by a far superior enemy in a mad unprecedented fashion which leaves the Kelvin's crew stunned - how much clearer can it be? To compare anything from DS9 to the high quality and thrills in ST 2009 is embarassing - it is as I said earlier, space battles in TNG/DS9/Voy are akin to pet fish swimming in a tank.

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February 5 2013, 03:17 PM	#38
DalekJim Fleet Captain Location: Great Britain	Re: I hope for more traditional space battles Well, I'd say Deep Space 9 did everything better than Star Trek 2009, what with it being the best Star Trek series. And I'd be far from alone . __________________ The Paradox Machine - My blog "Four things cannot be hidden - love, smoke, a pillar of fire and a man striding across the open bled." - Dune Messiah by Frank Herbert

February 5 2013, 03:26 PM	#44
Admiral Buzzkill The Man Location: Defying Gravity	Re: I hope for more traditional space battles DS9 was a pretentious bore most of the time, which probably had something to do with its continually declining ratings for seven years; it was the first Trek series to exhibit that pattern. __________________ I had steak and a loaded baked potato for dinner on Sunday. As a steak I enjoyed it a lot, but as macaroni and cheese I thought it was disappointing.