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Old February 5 2013, 02:15 PM   #31
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Re: I hope for more traditional space battles

I don't want new stuff to be just like things I've already seen; when I want that old stuff, I already have my greatest hits disks at home that I can loop through as many times as I want.

I want new stuff to be—new!

Star Trek (2009) brought new and exciting visualizations to the franchise. I hope Into Darkness will do the same.
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Old February 5 2013, 02:17 PM   #32
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I like the Abrams trek just fine but I don't subscribe to the same level of worship that a lot do on here namely "The Abrams way is the right way"
No no, the only way. They'd rather have a "brain haemorhage" than be sujected to anything else.

(I find this level of fanboyism highly entertaining. )
In case you're referring to me, what I actually said was: "I'd rather have a brain hemmorhage than be subjected to anything that old Trek fans would describe as "traditional".", which, you may now realize belatedly, includes millions of possibilities besides anything that Abrams could come up with.

Even though you misunderstood what I said, I'm glad I managed to entertain you anyway.
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Old February 5 2013, 02:28 PM   #33
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I cringe at the militant JJ Abrams fawners' posts generally ("Trek should be as much like Mission: Impossible III as it can be!" ) but I'd agree the opening attack on the Kelvin in 2009 is a good sequence. It's a shame the final act of the movie is insanely forgettable and hard to follow in comparison.

The First Contact opening battle is good but it's the show-stopping action on the ship exterior later on in the film that stands out more. Much more memorable than any of the action on Nero's ship.
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Old February 5 2013, 02:34 PM   #34
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I cringe at the militant JJ Abrams fawners' posts generally ("Trek should be as much like Mission: Impossible III as it can be!" )
Who said that?
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Old February 5 2013, 02:41 PM   #35
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I think I see his point. Regardless of any contrivances in the battle itself, there are no abundant lens flares or shakiness in the camera work of the FC battle. Even in the more battle in Sacrifice of Angels, you can still make out the ships and what they are doing, and it doesn't look like they smeared Vaseline on the lens.
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Old February 5 2013, 03:11 PM   #36
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The ships are shooting at each other. I think that's abundantly clear in any of these things.

The difference is that in Abrams's version, it looks dangerous and as if people might get hurt.

Trek's never going back to the kind of stiff formality that it had degenerated into - in terms of characterization (as Marina Sirtis once said, "We don't converse, we hit our marks and declaim") or visually. That's a good thing, whether it's Abrams calling the shots or another modern director.
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Old February 5 2013, 03:14 PM   #37
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It's pretty clear the Kelvin is getting overwhelmed by a far superior enemy in a mad unprecedented fashion which leaves the Kelvin's crew stunned - how much clearer can it be?

To compare anything from DS9 to the high quality and thrills in ST 2009 is embarassing - it is as I said earlier, space battles in TNG/DS9/Voy are akin to pet fish swimming in a tank.
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Old February 5 2013, 03:17 PM   #38
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Well, I'd say Deep Space 9 did everything better than Star Trek 2009, what with it being the best Star Trek series. And I'd be far from alone .
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Old February 5 2013, 03:18 PM   #39
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The First Contact opening battle is good but it's the show-stopping action on the ship exterior later on in the film that stands out more. Much more memorable than any of the action on Nero's ship.
You mean the slow walking and 3 phaser shots as Worf, Picard, and Lt. Redshirt input command codes? That show stopping action?
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Old February 5 2013, 03:18 PM   #40
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Well, I'd say Deep Space 9 did everything better than Star Trek 2009, what with it being the best Star Trek series. And I'd be far from alone .
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Old February 5 2013, 03:20 PM   #41
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Well, I'd say Deep Space 9 did everything better than Star Trek 2009, what with it being the best Star Trek series. And I'd be far from alone .
Holla!
In the one corner we have Gul Dukat, the best developed and acted villain in all of Star Trek. In the other we have... Nero.

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Old February 5 2013, 03:22 PM   #42
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Well, I'd say Deep Space 9 did everything better than Star Trek 2009, what with it being the best Star Trek series. And I'd be far from alone .
Holla!
In the one corner we have Gul Dukat, the best developed and acted villain in all of Star Trek. In the other we have... Nero.

In one corner we have seven seasons worth of character development...in the other we have a two hour movie.

Worthy of comparison? YOU DECIDE!
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Old February 5 2013, 03:23 PM   #43
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In the other we have... Nero.

I'd say your five least favorite things are:

5. Lawrence Miles
4. Yourself
3. RTD
2. Generations
1. Nero
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Old February 5 2013, 03:26 PM   #44
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DS9 was a pretentious bore most of the time, which probably had something to do with its continually declining ratings for seven years; it was the first Trek series to exhibit that pattern.

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Old February 5 2013, 03:27 PM   #45
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Nagisa Furukawa wrote: View Post
I'd say your five least favorite things are:

5. Lawrence Miles
4. Yourself
3. RTD
2. Generations
1. Nero
Lawrence Miles wrote at least 3 good Doctor Who books so I wouldn't lump him in there. Replace him with George Takei. I fucking hate George Takei.

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DS9 was a pretentious bore most of the time, which probably had something to do with its continually declining ratings for seven years; it was the first Trek series to exhibit that pattern.
If you think Star Trek should be as cookie cutter simplistic as possible, it stands to reason you'd hate DS9.
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