What's with all the Union Jacks in the trailer? - Page 4

iguana_tonante · February 5 2013, 12:17 AM

DarthTom wrote:

The real question is has the British Monarchy survived into the 22nd Century and is the Windsor family line still on the throne?

I don't think that is the real question.

Ovation wrote:

The Union flag is symmetrical, is it not?

Nope.

Relayer1 · February 5 2013, 12:18 AM

Ovation wrote:

The Union flag is symmetrical, is it not? Putting it upside down gives you the same image, non? (or maybe I need a new pair of glasses)

Bloody Colonials...

M'Sharak · February 5 2013, 12:29 AM

section9 wrote:

Yes, and expect the Last Holdout Nation State in the 23rd Century to be reigned, but not ruled, by a sometimes dotty family of imported German Monarchs.

You've heard of the Space Hippies? You haven't lived until you've seen the 23rd Century Version of the Space Windsors...

section9 wrote:

Oh, of course, the only question left for England is this: have they made it past Andorra or a visiting Rigelian Friendly Team in World Cup Qualifying?

You know, from 2258 to 1966 is a really, really long time!

section9 wrote:

Sci wrote:

I see no reason why the Union Jack can't fly next to the Flag of the United Federation of Planets. I'm sure the United Kingdom still exists as a polity within the United Earth polity, which itself still exists within the Federation.

Though I, too, would have preferred to see the Flag of United Earth fly alongside the Union Jack and Federation Flag.

Also, I'm more bothered by the fact that the Union Jack seems to be upside down.

Typical American mistake by a bunch of Yanks from Los Angeles who think that just because they know some lines from the "Spanish Inquisition" sketch and the "Dead Parrot" sketch, they get to fly the Union Flag upside down.

Two words: "Jesus wept."

Instead of making three separate posts, two minutes apart, you can use the edit button (

) to amend/add to an existing post. Posting more than twice in a row may be deemed spamming, so I'll just fix these for you.

T'Girl · February 5 2013, 12:44 AM

MacLeod wrote:

... if it was set in the US the American Flag would be flying

Oh, I'd love to see that, wonder how many stars the old girl would hold?

Mr. Laser Beam · February 5 2013, 12:47 AM

^ Canonically speaking, the most number of states we've heard about in Trek's version of the USA is 52. I'm sure there could have been more added later, though.

Franklin · February 5 2013, 01:12 AM

iguana_tonante wrote:

DarthTom wrote:

The real question is has the British Monarchy survived into the 22nd Century and is the Windsor family line still on the throne?

I don't think that is the real question.

Ovation wrote:

The Union flag is symmetrical, is it not?

Nope.

I'm trying to move it around in my mind, but the flag isn't just upside down, either, is it? The stripes are just off. I don't know.

This has already ruined the movie for me. How many more mistakes like this have been made, Mr. Abrams? Attention to detail my ass.

I think the British government should ask Paramount for a formal apology over this, as well as a promise that the mistake will be corrected whatever the cost. If they don't, then Parliament should ban the movie in the UK. I smell diplomatic incident!

Ovation · February 5 2013, 03:13 AM

Shazam! wrote:

Ovation wrote:

The Union flag is symmetrical, is it not? Putting it upside down gives you the same image, non? (or maybe I need a new pair of glasses)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_jack#Flying

Thanks for the link. I stand corrected.

iguana_tonante wrote:

DarthTom wrote:

The real question is has the British Monarchy survived into the 22nd Century and is the Windsor family line still on the throne?

I don't think that is the real question.

Ovation wrote:

The Union flag is symmetrical, is it not?

Nope.

Again, thanks.

Relayer1 wrote:

Ovation wrote:

The Union flag is symmetrical, is it not? Putting it upside down gives you the same image, non? (or maybe I need a new pair of glasses)

Bloody Colonials...

Guilty as charged.

At the risk of further offending the UK contingent, in my defence, the asymmetry is considerably more subtle than the US and Canadian flags I am used to seeing. Rest assured, though, I won't make this mistake again.

MacLeod · February 5 2013, 12:57 PM

True the difference is subtle, though I can see this appearing in tvtropes as did not to the research.

DarthTom · February 5 2013, 03:09 PM

Ovation wrote:

in my defence,

Anyone who missed the subtly if you spelling 'defence' the way the British do and not us yanks, missed the best part IMO.

BTW,

it's defense not defence

it's color not colour

and

it's check not cheque

Abrams better fucking get those right or it will ruin the movie for me.

FlapJoy · February 5 2013, 03:22 PM

Is the flag upside-down, or is it backwards? ... if it's blowing the opposite direction we might be seeing the back. Or perhaps the entire scene is backwards, flipped over, which happens a lot in movie trailers when editing small clips together. Could be all of the above. They even run scenes in reverse for trailers sometimes.

EDIT: Looking at a screen shot, I'm probably wrong.

The Mirrorball Man · February 5 2013, 04:36 PM

DarthTom wrote:

BTW,

it's defense not defence

it's color not colour

and

it's check not cheque

Abrams better fucking get those right or it will ruin the movie for me.

DarthTom · February 5 2013, 04:49 PM

Franklin wrote:

I think the British government should ask Paramount for a formal apology over this, as well as a promise that the mistake will be corrected whatever the cost. If they don't, then Parliament should ban the movie in the UK. I smell diplomatic incident!

By the 22nd century the Monarchy was dissolved and Parliment redesigned the flag in a different albiet similar pattern.

Since Star Trek is fiction ... lets rewrite British future history to fit Star Trek on screen.

FlapJoy · February 5 2013, 05:00 PM

Well, while it's far from an international incident, I would say it is a bit lazy... if you want to depict England on screen but you can't sort out certain details, that's lazy film making.

Franklin · February 5 2013, 05:03 PM

DarthTom wrote:

Franklin wrote:

I think the British government should ask Paramount for a formal apology over this, as well as a promise that the mistake will be corrected whatever the cost. If they don't, then Parliament should ban the movie in the UK. I smell diplomatic incident!

By the 22nd century the Monarchy was dissolved and Parliment redesigned the flag in a different albiet similar pattern.

Since Star Trek is fiction ... lets rewrite British future history to fit Star Trek on screen.

We'll call it the "Abrams flag" or "Abrams jack."

Then let's have the British eat "french fries" in the 22nd century, too. And while we're at it, let's end all that biscuit confusion and have them say, "cookies."

DarthTom · February 5 2013, 05:06 PM

FlapJoy wrote:

Well, while it's far from an international incident, I would say it is a bit lazy... if you want to depict England on screen but you can't sort out certain details, that's lazy film making. Would Spielberg screw that up?

Apparently Mr. Spielberg made a whole bunch of real historical mistakes it his latest masterpiece Lincoln

I ain't worried about an upside down flag in a movie about future fiction.

a Pulitzer Prize-winning historian of the period, claims in a letter to the New York Times that the movie “grossly exaggerates” its main points about the choices at stake in the passage of the Thirteenth Amendment (November 26, 2012).[60] Kate Masur (Northwestern University) accuses the film of oversimplifying the role of blacks in abolition and dismisses the effort as “an opportunity squandered” in an op-ed for the New York Times (November 12, 2012).[61] Harold Holzer, co-chair of the Abraham Lincoln Bicentennial Foundation and author of more than 40 books, served as a consultant to the film and praises it but also observes that there is “no shortage of small historical bloopers in the movie”

February 5 2013, 12:47 AM	#50
Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Location: The visitor's bullpen	Re: What's with all the Union Jacks in the trailer? ^ Canonically speaking, the most number of states we've heard about in Trek's version of the USA is 52. I'm sure there could have been more added later, though. __________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

February 5 2013, 12:57 PM	#53
MacLeod Vice Admiral Location: Great Britain	Re: What's with all the Union Jacks in the trailer? True the difference is subtle, though I can see this appearing in tvtropes as did not to the research. __________________ On the continent of wild endeavour in the mountains of solace and solitude there stood the citadel of the time lords, the oldest and most mighty race in the universe looking down on the galaxies below sworn never to interfere only to watch.

February 5 2013, 03:22 PM	#55
FlapJoy Lieutenant Commander Location: Unhooked.	Re: What's with all the Union Jacks in the trailer? Is the flag upside-down, or is it backwards? ... if it's blowing the opposite direction we might be seeing the back. Or perhaps the entire scene is backwards, flipped over, which happens a lot in movie trailers when editing small clips together. Could be all of the above. They even run scenes in reverse for trailers sometimes. EDIT: Looking at a screen shot, I'm probably wrong. __________________ http://flapjoy.deviantart.com/ Last edited by FlapJoy; February 5 2013 at 03:41 PM.

February 5 2013, 05:00 PM	#58
FlapJoy Lieutenant Commander Location: Unhooked.	Re: What's with all the Union Jacks in the trailer? Well, while it's far from an international incident, I would say it is a bit lazy... if you want to depict England on screen but you can't sort out certain details, that's lazy film making. __________________ http://flapjoy.deviantart.com/ Last edited by FlapJoy; February 5 2013 at 05:11 PM.

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