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Old February 3 2013, 07:19 AM   #31
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Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts?

If they blacked out her room windows she'd be none the wiser.

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Old February 3 2013, 07:46 AM   #32
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Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts?

You don't have to blackmail a machine with no free will.

They could have removed her long term memory and Janeway would always think that she had been in that room for hours or days... Look how that malady incapacitated Archer.
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Old February 3 2013, 07:47 AM   #33
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Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts?

If the writers had ever consistently portrayed Chakotay as a compelling character I would have loved to have seen this. But out of all the 2nd in commands I think his role was the worst written. Certainly Spock and Kira had great, compelling roles. Riker typically managed an episode every season to really shine and show command character. Heck even T'Pol was a far better written character (and thats with a terrible actress, my opinion of course).

I don't think any of the writers consistently did the character any favors. Part of me wonders if the writers did this on purpose or even subconsciously so as not to make the star, a women seem weak. I hope not, but I actually have that fear.
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Old February 3 2013, 10:12 AM   #34
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Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts?

Didn't you watch Enteprise?

They treated Archer just as badly.

Well, sleeping bag sex on the side of a mountain...but sexlessness was Mulgrews choice.

If the Actress was willing to make out with some guest stars now and then, they would have had a bigger tool box to write her stories.
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Old February 3 2013, 10:25 AM   #35
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Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts?

And yet when it is suggested that she did in fact make out with Kashyk or Ransome everyone has a fit.

Will we ever see a female Star Trek Captain with appetites?
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Old February 3 2013, 10:54 AM   #36
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Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts?

Erika?. Though I'm still a bit vague whether she and Jonathan actually got it on. Benteen's a bit of an ice maiden (at least on the surface). Do Kira or Jadzia count as an acting captains? They clearly had no hang-ups
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Old February 3 2013, 11:16 AM   #37
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Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts?

But Erika's an old flame, not quite the same as Captain Kirk.

And yes Jadzia did have appetites! Kira seemed to have more of a stream of increasingly dull relationships culminating in her great beige romance.
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Old February 3 2013, 11:19 AM   #38
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And yet when it is suggested that she did in fact make out with Kashyk or Ransom everyone has a fit.

Will we ever see a female Star Trek Captain with appetites?
Are you watching the HBO Comedy Girls?

The producer/writer/actress Lena Dunham seems to take almost every opportunity to take her top off and show us her breasts to the point that I'm used to them. They're common place scenery like grassy vistas or warm summer ponds.

The power these things have, most stuff has is in exclusivity.

The more men Kathryn had made out with, the less traumatizing it would have become.

Personally, I loved Kathryn and Kashyk's peck.

Did Mexican wave all by myself.

And then I went mental when I found out that her smooch was insincere.

Her lying lips!

(What ever happened to Shikira?)
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Old February 3 2013, 11:29 AM   #39
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Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts?

Remember in the episodes "Coda" and "Before and After" after Janeway was supposedly killed Chakotay was indeed then the captain/leader. So maybe that set a precedent for if KM hadn't returned? It seems would kind of stand to reason the commander would have taken over if no more KJ again. I recall when that was going on w/ KM; I was a little nervous that my heroine Janeway would be gone. Well anyway, it didn't happen, heh.
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Old February 3 2013, 11:46 AM   #40
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Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts?

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And yet when it is suggested that she did in fact make out with Kashyk or Ransom everyone has a fit.

Will we ever see a female Star Trek Captain with appetites?
Are you watching the HBO Comedy Girls?

The producer/writer/actress Lena Dunham seems to take almost every opportunity to take her top off and show us her breasts to the point that I'm used to them. They're common place scenery like grassy vistas or warm summer ponds.

The power these things have, most stuff has is in exclusivity.

The more men Kathryn had made out with, the less traumatizing it would have become.

Personally, I loved Kathryn and Kashyk's peck.

Did Mexican wave all by myself.

And then I went mental when I found out that her smooch was insincere.

Her lying lips!

(What ever happened to Shikira?)
That was her hips, not her lips.

And Janeway, she's got swag. Her hips don't lie but thing is when she's swinging them she's usually walking down the corridor with 7.
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Old February 3 2013, 11:56 AM   #41
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Women sauntering in formation.

Without Pussycatdoll level training Janeway and Seven could really hurt themselves if they keep asspunching each other in the kidneys.
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Old February 3 2013, 11:57 AM   #42
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Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts?

But we want to see the asspunching!

We need it.
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Old February 3 2013, 04:22 PM   #43
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Writing out Janeway?

No, no, no, no!
And no again!

Due to the fact that I felt deeply insulted by "Fury", I never watched the episodes after that horrible excuse for an episode, except for "Endgame". But I can't imagine Janeway being written off and most surely killed off in some other horrible episode.

Voyager had more than enough of unnecessary character destruction.
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