30 Rock: Final Season (Discussion, spoilers, etc.)

[Dale Sams]

A beaker full of death wrote:

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Good riddance. Fey was nowhere near as clever as she thought she was, and her cleavage only got her so far.

Cleavage? Are you sure you're not thinking of someone else?

[A beaker full of death]

^ Quite. Pretty much all the episodes I've seen feature her in something low cut enough for boobage (such as it is) to be on display.

[J. Allen]

A beaker full of death wrote:

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Good riddance. Fey was nowhere near as clever as she thought she was, and her cleavage only got her so far.

Hey now, not every show can be as awesome and popular as LOST. Then again, J.J. Abrams is just too damned good to confine himself to television, you know?

[FFunctionalData]

A beaker full of death wrote:

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Good riddance. Fey was nowhere near as clever as she thought she was, and her cleavage only got her so far.

cleavage?

what show were you watching?

[J. Allen]

FFunctionalData wrote:

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cleavage?

what show were you watching?

I'm not sure. In fact, it was a bit of a running joke that Liz Lemon was boyish.

[the G-man]

Actually BfoD is (partially) correct. While Liz was supposed to be boyish, Fey herself displayed a fair amount of (very fine IMO) cleavage in a number of episodes, often with Liz wearing a moderately low cut shirt under her blazer.

Basically, Liz/Fey was an example of that old TV trope where the "ugly" character is actually a knockout. Everyone talked about how plain she was but objectively she had a very pretty face and nice, curvy, body.

That being said, I think Fey's talents extended well beyond her looks.

[J. Allen]

the G-man wrote:

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Actually BfoD is (partially) correct. While Liz was supposed to be boyish, Fey herself displayed a fair amount of (very fine IMO) cleavage in a number of episodes, often with Liz wearing a moderately low cut shirt under her blazer.

Basically, Liz/Fey was an example of that old TV trope where the "ugly" character is actually a knockout. Everyone talked about how plain she was but objectively she had a very pretty face and nice, curvy, body.

That being said, I think Fey's talents extended well beyond her looks.

I'll give him partial credit that she does, indeed, have cleavage. The rest of his analysis is lacking, though. I mean, I understand that they can't all be Star Trek: The Animated Series, but it's still a good show.

[boobatuba]

A beaker full of death wrote:

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Good riddance. Fey was nowhere near as clever as she thought she was, and her cleavage only got her so far.

Totally disagree. Tina Fey is a fine actress, and I find that remark incredibly sexist.

[J.T.B.]

A beaker full of death wrote:

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Good riddance. Fey was nowhere near as clever as she thought she was, and her cleavage only got her so far.

Hard for me to judge how clever she thought she was, her usual mode being self-deprecation. But she got seven years of critical acclaim, awards and network support for a show with fairly marginal ratings (plus writing a number-one selling book along the way), so I'd say she's pretty goddamn clever.

[1001001]

Tina Fey is a national treasure.

Cute, smart, and talented.



Didn't she score really high when she was the BOTW?

[the G-man]

boobatuba wrote:

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Totally disagree. Tina Fey is a fine actress, and I find that remark incredibly sexist.

I disagree with his assessment of her talent but I don't think it's necessarily sexist. There are a lot of people, male and female, in show biz who try to get by on their physical attributes. If BfoD thinks she is one of them, so be it.

[boobatuba]

the G-man wrote:

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I disagree with his assessment of her talent but I don't think it's necessarily sexist. There are a lot of people, male and female, in show biz who try to get by on their physical attributes. If BfoD thinks she is one of them, so be it.

Where's his evidence? As noted, she's received multiple awards and countless accolades for her work. It doesn't seem like she needs to rely on her physical attributes at all.

That's why I find such a comment sexist.

[Nerys Myk]

Boobs and cleavage aren't the first things that come to mind when thinking about Tina Fey or Liz Lemon. So I find the idea that her success is based on her looks to be odd.

[Gov Kodos]

Nerys Myk wrote:

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Boobs and cleavage aren't the first things that come to mind when thinking about Tina Fey or Liz Lemon. So I find the idea that her success is based on her looks to be odd.

What else would a woman be valued for?

[the G-man]

boobatuba wrote:

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Where's his evidence? As noted, she's received multiple awards and countless accolades for her work. It doesn't seem like she needs to rely on her physical attributes at all.

That's why I find such a comment sexist.

I think I've made it clear I'm a fan of hers and I disagree with BfoD's view. She's a good writer and a good actress. At the same time, you can find many Glamour shots she's done over the years and a lot of her early Saturday Night Live hype was in the vein of "hot chick does comedy." Therefore while I find her enjoyable both for her looks and her talent, if somebody doesn't appreciate her talent I can see how they would think she got where she was on her looks. I don't see it as any more sexist then if somebody didn't like George Clooney and thought he got where he was based on his jaw line.