Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts? - Page 2

Guy Gardener · February 2 2013, 12:21 PM

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR.... They could have been forced to do something with Chokotay that was cool.

Lance · February 2 2013, 12:29 PM

I'd like to think that, "First Officer" or not, Chuckles' status as technically not being Starfleet anymore could be held against him assuming the top job. The next highest Starfleet officer seems to be Tuvok, though it'd be just our luck to wind up with Harry Kim.

Heck, Tom Paris seems to be able to fill every other role on the ship. Why not Captain as well?

Melakon · February 2 2013, 08:21 PM

Premise: Chakotay is captain.

First episode: Chakotay decides they just land and settle down on the next uninhabited Class M planet, dismantling the ship.

MacLeod · February 2 2013, 08:39 PM

Well they could always drop a bridge on her. Really no matter what have happened is would have annoyed a portion of the fanbase.

The Star Trek fanbase is very hard to please.

Lance · February 3 2013, 01:05 AM

MacLeod wrote:

The Star Trek fanbase is very hard to please.

This is true.

DeepSpaceWine · February 3 2013, 01:21 AM

Janeway, with her cup of coffee, take the Delta Flyer to warp 10 while disguised as a Borg a la "Unimatrix Zero", leading to an assimilated transwarp salamander! Now even quadripeds of the Delta Quadrant won't be safe from the Borg. Meanwhile, the coffee will evolve into a javablend Janeway, just like the Silverbloods. It would set off in the Delta Flyer thinking it was Janeway just like they thought they were the real thing.

Melakon · February 3 2013, 01:56 AM

And Neelix really should have switched to decaf.

JirinPanthosa · February 3 2013, 02:55 AM

I think if Mulgrew was written out they probably would have found some other Starfleet captain who got stranded in the DQ to take over for the last season.

Although I think making Chakotay Captain, if it could revitalize Beltran's enthusiasm for the role with more scripts and some new situations, it could have brought back the Maquis conflict. Chakotay making decisions the Starfleet officers disagree with, Starfleet officers questioning his right to be Captain because 'He was only made first officer to appease the Maquis', Tuvok defending him even when he disagrees with the orders.

I guess I have a higher opinion of Beltran's capabilities than some others. I think he worked well in episodes like Equinox and Course: Oblivion. And I think in those kinds of scripts that side of him would have come out.

Melakon · February 3 2013, 03:31 AM

I saw Beltran in a quirky little tv-movie comedy-western, with the title role of "El Diablo", and he did well as a supposedly notorious Mexican bandit. Anthony Edwards stars, with Lou Gosset Jr, Joe Pantoliano, and DS9 guest John Glover also in it.

Tosk · February 3 2013, 04:06 AM

JirinPanthosa wrote:

I think if Mulgrew was written out they probably would have found some other Starfleet captain who got stranded in the DQ to take over for the last season.

Exactly what I was going to say. Another captain would be found, or come through a spacial anomaly, or an alternate timeline or dimension...but they would have replaced her and kept everyone else pretty much where they were.

Melakon · February 3 2013, 04:17 AM

If Chakotay had become Captain though, we probably wouldn't have had that Chak/Seven romance that seemed to come out of left field.

Guy Gardener · February 3 2013, 04:39 AM

Because he wouldn't fraternize with the crew, or because they would have played the long game and built a relationship?

I would have had the Delanney twins share him and like how twins almost always do at least once a year, forget to tell the guy that he's being tag teamed.

Parent trap the SOB!

I remember Lindsay being this adorable 9 year old in disney movies.

It seems like yesterday.

Melakon · February 3 2013, 05:18 AM

It's just my personal theory, I've not seen it stated anywhere. We know Beltran was unhappy in the later years because he wanted a more prominent role in the series. I've always thought they gave him the romance to appease him. A larger role, as Captain, might have satisfied him greatly.

Guy Gardener · February 3 2013, 05:44 AM

Janeway spent three months in her room.

Who do you think was in charge while she was rocking back and forth?

He had his chance.

And how hard would it have been to make her think that staying in her room for the next 3 years was best for everyone?

Melakon · February 3 2013, 06:05 AM

He could have blackmailed the Doctor to make it official or risk reverting to default mode.

February 2 2013, 12:21 PM	#16
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOR.... They could have been forced to do something with Chokotay that was cool. __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz

February 2 2013, 12:29 PM	#17
Lance Captain Location: The Enterprise's Restroom	Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts? I'd like to think that, "First Officer" or not, Chuckles' status as technically not being Starfleet anymore could be held against him assuming the top job. The next highest Starfleet officer seems to be Tuvok, though it'd be just our luck to wind up with Harry Kim. Heck, Tom Paris seems to be able to fill every other role on the ship. Why not Captain as well?

February 2 2013, 08:21 PM	#18
Melakon Commodore Location: Unmarked grave, Ekos	Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts? Premise: Chakotay is captain. First episode: Chakotay decides they just land and settle down on the next uninhabited Class M planet, dismantling the ship. __________________ "Every time you think, you weaken the nation." --Moe Howard

February 2 2013, 08:39 PM	#19
MacLeod Vice Admiral Location: Great Britain	Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts? Well they could always drop a bridge on her. Really no matter what have happened is would have annoyed a portion of the fanbase. The Star Trek fanbase is very hard to please. __________________ On the continent of wild endeavour in the mountains of solace and solitude there stood the citadel of the time lords, the oldest and most mighty race in the universe looking down on the galaxies below sworn never to interfere only to watch.

February 3 2013, 01:21 AM	#21
DeepSpaceWine Commander	Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts? Janeway, with her cup of coffee, take the Delta Flyer to warp 10 while disguised as a Borg a la "Unimatrix Zero", leading to an assimilated transwarp salamander! Now even quadripeds of the Delta Quadrant won't be safe from the Borg. Meanwhile, the coffee will evolve into a javablend Janeway, just like the Silverbloods. It would set off in the Delta Flyer thinking it was Janeway just like they thought they were the real thing.

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February 3 2013, 01:56 AM	#22
Melakon Commodore Location: Unmarked grave, Ekos	Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts? And Neelix really should have switched to decaf. __________________ "Every time you think, you weaken the nation." --Moe Howard

February 3 2013, 02:55 AM	#23
JirinPanthosa Captain	Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts? I think if Mulgrew was written out they probably would have found some other Starfleet captain who got stranded in the DQ to take over for the last season. Although I think making Chakotay Captain, if it could revitalize Beltran's enthusiasm for the role with more scripts and some new situations, it could have brought back the Maquis conflict. Chakotay making decisions the Starfleet officers disagree with, Starfleet officers questioning his right to be Captain because 'He was only made first officer to appease the Maquis', Tuvok defending him even when he disagrees with the orders. I guess I have a higher opinion of Beltran's capabilities than some others. I think he worked well in episodes like Equinox and Course: Oblivion. And I think in those kinds of scripts that side of him would have come out.

February 3 2013, 03:31 AM	#24
Melakon Commodore Location: Unmarked grave, Ekos	Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts? I saw Beltran in a quirky little tv-movie comedy-western, with the title role of "El Diablo", and he did well as a supposedly notorious Mexican bandit. Anthony Edwards stars, with Lou Gosset Jr, Joe Pantoliano, and DS9 guest John Glover also in it. __________________ "Every time you think, you weaken the nation." --Moe Howard

February 3 2013, 04:17 AM	#26
Melakon Commodore Location: Unmarked grave, Ekos	Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts? If Chakotay had become Captain though, we probably wouldn't have had that Chak/Seven romance that seemed to come out of left field. __________________ "Every time you think, you weaken the nation." --Moe Howard

February 3 2013, 04:39 AM	#27
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts? Because he wouldn't fraternize with the crew, or because they would have played the long game and built a relationship? I would have had the Delanney twins share him and like how twins almost always do at least once a year, forget to tell the guy that he's being tag teamed. Parent trap the SOB! I remember Lindsay being this adorable 9 year old in disney movies. It seems like yesterday. __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz

February 3 2013, 05:18 AM	#28
Melakon Commodore Location: Unmarked grave, Ekos	Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts? It's just my personal theory, I've not seen it stated anywhere. We know Beltran was unhappy in the later years because he wanted a more prominent role in the series. I've always thought they gave him the romance to appease him. A larger role, as Captain, might have satisfied him greatly. __________________ "Every time you think, you weaken the nation." --Moe Howard

February 3 2013, 05:44 AM	#29
Guy Gardener Admiral Location: In the lap of squalor I assure you.	Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts? Janeway spent three months in her room. Who do you think was in charge while she was rocking back and forth? He had his chance. And how hard would it have been to make her think that staying in her room for the next 3 years was best for everyone? __________________ "Glitter is the herpes of arts and craft." Troy Yingst. My Life as Liz

February 3 2013, 06:05 AM	#30
Melakon Commodore Location: Unmarked grave, Ekos	Re: Writing Janeway out of the series -- what are your thoughts? He could have blackmailed the Doctor to make it official or risk reverting to default mode. __________________ "Every time you think, you weaken the nation." --Moe Howard