Tallywhacker

Metryq · February 1 2013, 08:06 PM

Shortly before TOS-R was released, I ran into a post on another forum about the CGI model having a "tellywhacker" (as that poster put it) on the underside of the saucer. The tiny army tank-like turret and barrel can be seen in this screen cap from the TOS-R "Changeling."

I have never seen such a feature on the TOS Enterprise prior to the Revision, er, Remastered episodes. That lower cap has always been fully lit (no dark pimple in the middle), and no diagrams have ever shown that—whatever it is. I saw the original model at the National Air And Space Museum around 1979 or 1980. Considering other threads on the reconditioning of that model and the state it was in when NASM first received it, I don't know if such a tiny detail existed on the original.

Does anyone know? After all, one of Kirk's lines in "The Naked Time" is "Now I know why it's called 'she.'" It would be a shock after all this time to learn that the Enterprise is a stallion.

Forbin · February 1 2013, 08:23 PM

Yes, it was there. Polar Lights faithfully includes in in there 1/350 model kit, researched by Gary Kerr. What it is, is up for grabs. Some think the intent was that it be the phaser turret.

Draculasaurus · February 1 2013, 08:36 PM

Maybe it's a sticky space lolly pop got stuck on the dome.
That's probably what happened.

Metryq · February 1 2013, 09:57 PM

Forbin wrote:

Yes, it was there. Polar Lights faithfully includes in in there 1/350 model kit

I just downloaded the PDF assembly instructions. That kit also has various interior parts, such as a shuttle bay with shuttlecraft. As much as I enjoyed physical model kits as a kid, I no longer have the storage/display space. And there are various other advantages to CGI modeling—which didn't exist when I was a kid. (Actually, CAD did exist before I was born, but I wouldn't have had any access to it as a kid. Video of Sketchpad in action.)

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King Daniel into Darkness · February 2 2013, 12:45 AM

It's where it comes out when they flush.

King Daniel into Darkness · February 2 2013, 12:53 AM

Seriously, according to the old USS Enterprise Officer's Manual Treknical fanzine, it was the infamous Ion Pod from "Court Martial"

Diagram HERE.

Carcazoid · February 2 2013, 01:10 AM

I call BS.

It was never seen in TOS, so it's utter BS.

jayrath · February 2 2013, 02:18 AM

Children, this feature was always on the early AMT model kits, overseen by Jeffries, which were based on the small studio model besides the 11-footer.

ZapBrannigan · February 2 2013, 03:21 AM

jayrath wrote:

...this feature was always on the early AMT model kits, overseen by Jeffries, which were based on the small studio model besides the 11-footer.

Beat me to it. I recall a little button on lower sensor dome of the 18-inch AMT model.

I think I can kind of see it here

http://www.atpm.com/7.01/washington-...rise-front.jpg

but who knows if that's the original equipment. The main deflector dish and the nacelle domes were replaced, so maybe this was too.

Edit: this looks definitive:

http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x...etarhd0006.jpg

scotpens · February 2 2013, 03:33 AM

jayrath wrote:

Children, this feature was always on the early AMT model kits, overseen by Jeffries, which were based on the small studio model besides the 11-footer.

Yes, on the AMT 18-incher, going back to the original 1967 issue, the "nipple" on the lower sensor dome was always there. I didn't lose sleep over what its function might be.

Melakon · February 2 2013, 03:40 AM

Just from the thread title, I thought this was going to be about that rock Kirk pulls from the cave ceiling in "What are Little Girls Made Of?"

plynch · February 2 2013, 03:40 AM

Bump or turret? That seems quite a difference.

ZapBrannigan · February 2 2013, 03:51 AM

plynch wrote:

Bump or turret? That seems quite a difference.

The gun barrel in that Remastered frame is a new invention, no argument there.

CorporalCaptain · February 2 2013, 03:53 AM

Carcazoid wrote:

I call BS.

It was never seen in TOS, so it's utter BS.

Yes, it was seen on screen in TOS.

Here's a nice close up of the E from Let That Be Your Last Battlefield, original effects.

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...efield_034.JPG
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...efield_035.JPG

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/thum...lbum=90&page=2

This should settle it.

Great thread title, by the way, even if not entirely accurate.

Carcazoid · February 2 2013, 03:57 AM

CorporalCaptain wrote:

Carcazoid wrote:

I call BS.

It was never seen in TOS, so it's utter BS.

Yes, it was seen on screen in TOS.

Here's a nice close up of the E from Let That Be Your Last Battlefield, original effects.

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...efield_034.JPG
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/albu...efield_035.JPG

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/thum...lbum=90&page=2

This should settle it.

Great thread title, by the way, even if not entirely accurate.

All I see is a little dot. BS, I say.

February 1 2013, 08:06 PM	#1
Metryq Commander	Tallywhacker Shortly before TOS-R was released, I ran into a post on another forum about the CGI model having a "tellywhacker" (as that poster put it) on the underside of the saucer. The tiny army tank-like turret and barrel can be seen in this screen cap from the TOS-R "Changeling." I have never seen such a feature on the TOS Enterprise prior to the Revision, er, Remastered episodes. That lower cap has always been fully lit (no dark pimple in the middle), and no diagrams have ever shown that—whatever it is. I saw the original model at the National Air And Space Museum around 1979 or 1980. Considering other threads on the reconditioning of that model and the state it was in when NASM first received it, I don't know if such a tiny detail existed on the original. Does anyone know? After all, one of Kirk's lines in "The Naked Time" is "Now I know why it's called 'she.'" It would be a shock after all this time to learn that the Enterprise is a stallion. __________________ "No, I better not look. I just might be in there." —Foghorn Leghorn

February 1 2013, 08:23 PM	#2
Forbin Admiral Location: I said out, dammit!	Re: Tallywhacker Yes, it was there. Polar Lights faithfully includes in in there 1/350 model kit, researched by Gary Kerr. What it is, is up for grabs. Some think the intent was that it be the phaser turret. __________________ My kitbashes: http://www.inpayne.com/models/kitbash/trekpage.html My Kitbash Wallpapers: http://www.inpayne.com/models/wallpa...allpapers.html My kitbash calendar: http://inpayne.com/calendar/kbcalendar2013.html Last edited by Forbin; February 1 2013 at 09:40 PM.

February 1 2013, 08:36 PM	#3
Draculasaurus Lieutenant Commander	Re: Tallywhacker Maybe it's a sticky space lolly pop got stuck on the dome. That's probably what happened.

February 2 2013, 12:45 AM	#5
King Daniel into Darkness Admiral Location: KingDaniel has fallen Into Darkness (in England)	Re: Tallywhacker It's where it comes out when they flush. __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun video mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors. Episode One Episode Two

February 2 2013, 12:53 AM	#6
King Daniel into Darkness Admiral Location: KingDaniel has fallen Into Darkness (in England)	Re: Tallywhacker Seriously, according to the old USS Enterprise Officer's Manual Treknical fanzine, it was the infamous Ion Pod from "Court Martial" Diagram HERE. __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun video mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors. Episode One Episode Two

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February 2 2013, 01:10 AM	#7
Carcazoid Captain Location: Planet Carcazed	Re: Tallywhacker I call BS. It was never seen in TOS, so it's utter BS. __________________ =Carcazoid=

February 2 2013, 02:18 AM	#8
jayrath Fleet Captain Location: West Hollywood, Calif., USA	Re: Tallywhacker Children, this feature was always on the early AMT model kits, overseen by Jeffries, which were based on the small studio model besides the 11-footer.

February 2 2013, 03:40 AM	#11
Melakon Commodore Location: Unmarked grave, Ekos	Re: Tallywhacker Just from the thread title, I thought this was going to be about that rock Kirk pulls from the cave ceiling in "What are Little Girls Made Of?" __________________ "Every time you think, you weaken the nation." --Moe Howard

February 2 2013, 03:40 AM	#12
plynch Fleet Captain Location: Outer Graceland	Re: Tallywhacker Bump or turret? That seems quite a difference. __________________ Author of Live Like Louis: Inspirational Stories from the Life of Louis Armstrong, http://livelikelouis.com.