Would post-Empire New Republic accept a New Jedi Order?

Turd Ferguson · January 30 2013, 08:09 PM

This thought occurred to me today as I am still excited about a Star Wars: Episode VII. So far, we know nothing about the plot, who will be involved, etc. All we know is that supposedly it will deal with Luke Skywalker resurrecting the Jedi Order and some adventures in a post-Empire galaxy.

My question is, how would the New Republic react to a New Jedi Order? Shouldn't they be terrified? Take Revenge of the Sith. Chancellor Palpatine tells the entire Senate that the Jedi tried to assassinate him and overthrow the Republic. Everyone in the Senate chamber seemed to accept this with no argument and had no qualms with Palpatine's plan to exterminate any remaining Jedi. In fact, the only person who seemed to realize that the Jedi were innocent was Bail Organa, who, as far as we know, was on Alderaan when it exploded.

So, in the view of the newly dissolved Empire, shouldn't there be some form of apprehension or fear in allowing an organization to reform that could have to potential to try to overthrow the new government again? In fact, to an average citizen, it could be argued that the Jedi finally succeeded in assassinating Palpatine when Luke blew up the Death Star II, therefore giving credibility to what he was telling the Senate.

Also, I know from a movie standpoint we know that the Emperor was actually a Sith Lord named Darth Sidious, who was only in it for the power, but to an unassuming citizen, it could very well be the regional governors and Grand Moffs that were the evil douchebags going around blowing up planets and killing civilians and Rebels. It seems the people are trading in one form of evil for another. Did the public even know or care that Palpatine was a Dark Lord of the Sith, the enemy of the Jedi Order?

sojourner · January 30 2013, 08:19 PM

I think the Emperor's tyranny pretty much speaks for itself to most of these questions.

Hound of UIster · January 30 2013, 08:24 PM

Given how much the Empire demonized and hunted the Jedi, the New Republic would have accepted the Jedi Order with open arms and as a symbol of their own legitimacy.

Admiral James Kirk · January 30 2013, 08:48 PM

I guess we'll find out in 2015.

Scout101 · January 30 2013, 09:43 PM

Given that the hero of the rebellion was a Jedi, and he personally killed the tyrants that were running the Empire, I'd think the Jedi would be welcomed back just fine.

Only recent example they have of a Jedi is Luke. Go back a little, and next most recent is Obi-Wan sacrificing himself to help destroy the Death Star, so looks like good examples to rebuild from.

So, Luke's the hero, Leia's his twin sister (and also showed the beginnings of some latent ability in ROTJ), Han's hooking up with Leia and in tight with both of them anyway, and looks like the new leaders are pretty Pro-Jedi...

arch101 · January 31 2013, 02:10 AM

I haven't read any of the novels so I don't know if this is covered in them. I would think that certain worlds that sign up for the New Republic would be OK with the reestablishment of the Jedi system. I also think that many of the worlds that were going to leave with the Trade Federation will go once they are freed. Those worlds might not be so friendly to the Jedi as they fought them in the Clone Wars. Memories can be long where civil wars are concerned (see Yugoslavia) I really hope some of this is in the new film!

C.E. Evans · January 31 2013, 06:30 PM

Hound of UIster wrote:

Given how much the Empire demonized and hunted the Jedi, the New Republic would have accepted the Jedi Order with open arms and as a symbol of their own legitimacy.

I think it's essentially this.

IMO, the Jedi were largely revered as peacekeepers and mediators in the pre-Empire era.

Turd Ferguson · January 31 2013, 08:24 PM

C.E. Evans wrote:

Hound of UIster wrote:

Given how much the Empire demonized and hunted the Jedi, the New Republic would have accepted the Jedi Order with open arms and as a symbol of their own legitimacy.

I think it's essentially this.

IMO, the Jedi were largely revered as peacekeepers and mediators in the pre-Empire era.

But people can be extremely ignorant sometimes. And this is a civilization that allowed a cartoon rabbit to basically give Palpatine total control and turn the Republic into a dictatorship. Chancellor Palpatine was extremely popular, given the reaction to Jar Jar's proposal and, later, Palpatine's formation of the Empire.

It's pretty likely that most of the Empire did have a problem with the Emperor, but, based on onscreen evidence (not counting novels), the Empire never really interfered with any planet (or mining colony) unless they started harboring Rebel Alliance dignitaries or offspring of Jedi. Lando Calrissian himself even stated he ran a pretty shady operation at Bespin that the Empire ignored until he came into contact with Han, Leia and Luke.

The common planet with no Rebel ties (especially the Separatist planets), I think, should be extremely wary of the Jedi regaining a foothold in New Republic affairs.

C.E. Evans · January 31 2013, 08:29 PM

Turd Ferguson wrote:

C.E. Evans wrote:

Hound of UIster wrote:

Given how much the Empire demonized and hunted the Jedi, the New Republic would have accepted the Jedi Order with open arms and as a symbol of their own legitimacy.

I think it's essentially this.

IMO, the Jedi were largely revered as peacekeepers and mediators in the pre-Empire era.

But people can be extremely ignorant sometimes. And this is a civilization that allowed a cartoon rabbit to basically give Palpatine total control and turn the Republic into a dictatorship. Chancellor Palpatine was extremely popular, given the reaction to Jar Jar's proposal and, later, Palpatine's formation of the Empire.

It's pretty likely that most of the Empire did have a problem with the Emperor, but, based on onscreen evidence (not counting novels), the Empire never really interfered with any planet (or mining colony) unless they started harboring Rebel Alliance dignitaries or offspring of Jedi. Lando Calrissian himself even stated he ran a pretty shady operation at Bespin that the Empire ignored until he came into contact with Han, Leia and Luke.

The common planet with no Rebel ties (especially the Separatist planets), I think, should be extremely wary of the Jedi regaining a foothold in New Republic affairs.

People can fear anything, but I still think the Jedi were looked more favorably upon than not.

Scout101 · January 31 2013, 10:14 PM

Yeah, 20,000 years (give or take, how old were they already in KOTOR?) worth of doing good vs. 30 years of bad press and rumors, I'm sure the Jedi would bounce back just fine.

junxon · January 31 2013, 10:28 PM

the jedi took children from their parents and taught them that all emotion will lead to evil. kids growing up to believe that love is a bad thing. fuck the jedi.

C.E. Evans · January 31 2013, 11:16 PM

I always thought that was one of the biggest misconceptions about the Jedi. I don't believe the Jedi teaches younglings that love is bad at all, but that having extremely strong attachments--the kind of which they put above their duties--can compromise their objectivity and endanger both themselves and others during a mission. I think that would warrant such a Jedi to be expelled from the order.

But I also think the Jedi Order has changed numerous times since its inception and that the version we saw during the prequel trilogy reflects just one period of the Order. During earlier times, there probably were married Jedi with children.

As far as taking children from their parents, I thought they could do so only with their parents' consent?

Venardhi · February 1 2013, 12:40 AM

By the time we meet the Order in TPM, they've essentially made a vow of chastity and celibacy mandatory. The Jedi council at the time seemed to be operating from a very conservative and fearful perspective, so such a "recommendation" of earlier eras may have slowly transformed into a requirement (except for special cases like Ki Adi Mundi who was part of an endangered species) as the politics of the order shifted this way or that.

The kids thing likewise is "optional" for parents to turn over their kids, with the decision fueled by the suggestion that their child may become dangerous and impossible to control if they learn to access their abilities without the proper training and discipline. In the days when the Jedi population and power is waning, their means of persuasion might become quite forceful.

Lindley · February 1 2013, 01:26 AM

As the books establish in various ways, there will always be people who resent or fear the Jedi, just as there will always be those who respect or even revere them.

davejames · February 1 2013, 01:48 AM

Personally I'm hoping the new movies don't make the Jedis (or the creation of a new Jedis Order) the main focus of the story. We already saw more than enough of them and their Jedi code in the prequels, which turned out to be not such a great thing after all.

Not to mention the heavy focus they've gotten in TCW...

I'd rather just go back to the ragtag group of characters again, with just one of them that happens to be a Jedi.

And surely it's possible to come up with a worthy villain in SW who's not an emporor or Sith Lord...

January 30 2013, 08:09 PM	#1
Turd Ferguson Commodore Location: Kentucky	Would post-Empire New Republic accept a New Jedi Order? This thought occurred to me today as I am still excited about a Star Wars: Episode VII. So far, we know nothing about the plot, who will be involved, etc. All we know is that supposedly it will deal with Luke Skywalker resurrecting the Jedi Order and some adventures in a post-Empire galaxy. My question is, how would the New Republic react to a New Jedi Order? Shouldn't they be terrified? Take Revenge of the Sith. Chancellor Palpatine tells the entire Senate that the Jedi tried to assassinate him and overthrow the Republic. Everyone in the Senate chamber seemed to accept this with no argument and had no qualms with Palpatine's plan to exterminate any remaining Jedi. In fact, the only person who seemed to realize that the Jedi were innocent was Bail Organa, who, as far as we know, was on Alderaan when it exploded. So, in the view of the newly dissolved Empire, shouldn't there be some form of apprehension or fear in allowing an organization to reform that could have to potential to try to overthrow the new government again? In fact, to an average citizen, it could be argued that the Jedi finally succeeded in assassinating Palpatine when Luke blew up the Death Star II, therefore giving credibility to what he was telling the Senate. Also, I know from a movie standpoint we know that the Emperor was actually a Sith Lord named Darth Sidious, who was only in it for the power, but to an unassuming citizen, it could very well be the regional governors and Grand Moffs that were the evil douchebags going around blowing up planets and killing civilians and Rebels. It seems the people are trading in one form of evil for another. Did the public even know or care that Palpatine was a Dark Lord of the Sith, the enemy of the Jedi Order? __________________ "Divine intervention is unlikely." - The Doctor

January 30 2013, 08:19 PM	#2
sojourner Vice Admiral Location: I'm at WKRP	Re: Would post-Empire New Republic accept a New Jedi Order? I think the Emperor's tyranny pretty much speaks for itself to most of these questions. __________________ Baby, you and me were never meant to be, just maybe think of me once in a while...

January 30 2013, 08:24 PM	#3
Hound of UIster Rear Admiral	Re: Would post-Empire New Republic accept a New Jedi Order? Given how much the Empire demonized and hunted the Jedi, the New Republic would have accepted the Jedi Order with open arms and as a symbol of their own legitimacy.

January 30 2013, 08:48 PM	#4
Admiral James Kirk Writer Location: Tucson, AZ	Re: Would post-Empire New Republic accept a New Jedi Order? I guess we'll find out in 2015. __________________ Star Force The Tales of the Star Force Anthology

January 30 2013, 09:43 PM	#5
Scout101 Admiral Location: Rhode Island, USA	Re: Would post-Empire New Republic accept a New Jedi Order? Given that the hero of the rebellion was a Jedi, and he personally killed the tyrants that were running the Empire, I'd think the Jedi would be welcomed back just fine. Only recent example they have of a Jedi is Luke. Go back a little, and next most recent is Obi-Wan sacrificing himself to help destroy the Death Star, so looks like good examples to rebuild from. So, Luke's the hero, Leia's his twin sister (and also showed the beginnings of some latent ability in ROTJ), Han's hooking up with Leia and in tight with both of them anyway, and looks like the new leaders are pretty Pro-Jedi... __________________ Perhaps, if I am very lucky, the feeble efforts of my lifetime will someday be noticed and maybe, in some small way, they will be acknowledged as the greatest works of genius ever created by man. ~Jack Handey STO: @JScout33

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January 31 2013, 02:10 AM	#6
arch101 Fleet Captain Location: 10 miles west of the Universal Hub	Re: Would post-Empire New Republic accept a New Jedi Order? I haven't read any of the novels so I don't know if this is covered in them. I would think that certain worlds that sign up for the New Republic would be OK with the reestablishment of the Jedi system. I also think that many of the worlds that were going to leave with the Trade Federation will go once they are freed. Those worlds might not be so friendly to the Jedi as they fought them in the Clone Wars. Memories can be long where civil wars are concerned (see Yugoslavia) I really hope some of this is in the new film! __________________ "If we (The Boston Herald) live a single day longer than them (The Boston Globe), we win" -Howie Carr

January 31 2013, 10:14 PM	#10
Scout101 Admiral Location: Rhode Island, USA	Re: Would post-Empire New Republic accept a New Jedi Order? Yeah, 20,000 years (give or take, how old were they already in KOTOR?) worth of doing good vs. 30 years of bad press and rumors, I'm sure the Jedi would bounce back just fine. __________________ Perhaps, if I am very lucky, the feeble efforts of my lifetime will someday be noticed and maybe, in some small way, they will be acknowledged as the greatest works of genius ever created by man. ~Jack Handey STO: @JScout33

January 31 2013, 10:28 PM	#11
junxon Fleet Captain Location: I'm a Romulan now. Romulans are cool	Re: Would post-Empire New Republic accept a New Jedi Order? the jedi took children from their parents and taught them that all emotion will lead to evil. kids growing up to believe that love is a bad thing. fuck the jedi. __________________ I'm your Venus, I'm your fire, At your desire, Captain. - Mr Spock Hello to Jason Isaacs!

January 31 2013, 11:16 PM	#12
C.E. Evans Vice Admiral Location: Saint Louis (aka Defiance)	Re: Would post-Empire New Republic accept a New Jedi Order? I always thought that was one of the biggest misconceptions about the Jedi. I don't believe the Jedi teaches younglings that love is bad at all, but that having extremely strong attachments--the kind of which they put above their duties--can compromise their objectivity and endanger both themselves and others during a mission. I think that would warrant such a Jedi to be expelled from the order. But I also think the Jedi Order has changed numerous times since its inception and that the version we saw during the prequel trilogy reflects just one period of the Order. During earlier times, there probably were married Jedi with children. As far as taking children from their parents, I thought they could do so only with their parents' consent? __________________ "Shout, shout, let it all out..."

February 1 2013, 12:40 AM	#13
Venardhi Vice Admiral Location: Constant transit	Re: Would post-Empire New Republic accept a New Jedi Order? By the time we meet the Order in TPM, they've essentially made a vow of chastity and celibacy mandatory. The Jedi council at the time seemed to be operating from a very conservative and fearful perspective, so such a "recommendation" of earlier eras may have slowly transformed into a requirement (except for special cases like Ki Adi Mundi who was part of an endangered species) as the politics of the order shifted this way or that. The kids thing likewise is "optional" for parents to turn over their kids, with the decision fueled by the suggestion that their child may become dangerous and impossible to control if they learn to access their abilities without the proper training and discipline. In the days when the Jedi population and power is waning, their means of persuasion might become quite forceful. __________________ "There is no reason why good cannot triumph as often as evil. The triumph of anything is a matter of organization. If there are such things as angels, I hope that they are organized along the lines of the Maffia." - Winston Niles Rumfoord.

February 1 2013, 01:26 AM	#14
Lindley Moderator with a Soul Location: Fairfax, VA	Re: Would post-Empire New Republic accept a New Jedi Order? As the books establish in various ways, there will always be people who resent or fear the Jedi, just as there will always be those who respect or even revere them. __________________ Lead Organizer for EVN: Firefly. "So apparently the really smart zombies have automatic weapons!" -Torg, Sluggy Freelance

February 1 2013, 01:48 AM	#15
davejames Vice Admiral Location: Sac, Ca	Re: Would post-Empire New Republic accept a New Jedi Order? Personally I'm hoping the new movies don't make the Jedis (or the creation of a new Jedis Order) the main focus of the story. We already saw more than enough of them and their Jedi code in the prequels, which turned out to be not such a great thing after all. Not to mention the heavy focus they've gotten in TCW... I'd rather just go back to the ragtag group of characters again, with just one of them that happens to be a Jedi. And surely it's possible to come up with a worthy villain in SW who's not an emporor or Sith Lord...