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Old January 30 2013, 03:19 PM   #181
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Billing is the least of the problems with this movie.
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Old January 30 2013, 03:53 PM   #182
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Old January 30 2013, 04:08 PM   #183
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This is one of the films were the billing thing gets pretty silly. Armie Hammer is The Lone Ranger, not Johnny Depp.
Christopher Reeve didn't have top billing in Superman or Michael Keaton in Batman, IIRC, so it's not unprecedented for the lesser-known actor playing the lead character to get lower billing to a better known actor playing what is nominally a supporting character.
Yes, and it wasn't okay then and it isn't okay now.
It's the SGA rules, though. Unless Depp takes no billing, he has to be first.
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Old January 30 2013, 04:17 PM   #184
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Christopher Reeve didn't have top billing in Superman or Michael Keaton in Batman, IIRC, so it's not unprecedented for the lesser-known actor playing the lead character to get lower billing to a better known actor playing what is nominally a supporting character.
Yes, and it wasn't okay then and it isn't okay now.
It's the SGA rules, though. Unless Depp takes no billing, he has to be first.
Do you mean SAG, Screen Actor's Guild? I don't think they have any rules about billing beyond actors HAVE to be billed.

Top billing is the agent's job... Where an actor is billed is something that is negotiated.
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Old January 30 2013, 07:19 PM   #185
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Billing is the least of the problems with this movie.
Yeah, the trailer makes this movie look totally shitty.
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Old January 31 2013, 12:13 AM   #186
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The poster should be Silver wearing his hat. I expect that is much more indicative of what this movie has to offer.
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Old January 31 2013, 03:23 AM   #187
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^Are we sure Silver is a male in this version? Can't have a retelling/remake/re-imagining these days without changing the gender of at least one character.
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Old January 31 2013, 03:33 AM   #188
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Old January 31 2013, 03:40 AM   #189
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Yes, and it wasn't okay then and it isn't okay now.
It's the SGA rules, though. Unless Depp takes no billing, he has to be first.
Do you mean SAG, Screen Actor's Guild? I don't think they have any rules about billing beyond actors HAVE to be billed.

Top billing is the agent's job... Where an actor is billed is something that is negotiated.
Whoopi Goldberg also chose not be listed in the credits in Generations over being listed first before her good friend, Patrick Stewart.
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Old January 31 2013, 05:50 AM   #190
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Yes, and it wasn't okay then and it isn't okay now.
It's the SGA rules, though. Unless Depp takes no billing, he has to be first.
Do you mean SAG
Yeah, sorry about the typo

I don't think they have any rules about billing beyond actors HAVE to be billed.
Haven't we had the discussion in this very thread already? Clearly you don't have to be billed since actors have chosen not to be billed. Whoopie Goldberg is Generations is the perfect example. The story is that she would have been billed first had she chosen not to be billed at all.
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Old January 31 2013, 04:11 PM   #191
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Yes, and it wasn't okay then and it isn't okay now.
It's the SGA rules, though. Unless Depp takes no billing, he has to be first.
Do you mean SAG, Screen Actor's Guild?
No. Depp is senior officer at Stargate Atlantis. He also gets to throw lemons at Mckay.
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Old January 31 2013, 04:14 PM   #192
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Haven't we had the discussion in this very thread already?
I don't know. I haven't read every post in this thread...



Clearly you don't have to be billed since actors have chosen not to be billed. Whoopie Goldberg is Generations is the perfect example. The story is that she would have been billed first had she chosen not to be billed at all.
Still, I'm pretty certain SAG doesn't have any rules about billing... maybe, though, something about award winners? I know that in promo materials, academy award winners have to be listed as such.

And by the time she was involved with Star Trek, Goldberg had won her Oscar.
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Old January 31 2013, 04:32 PM   #193
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To the best of my knowledge - which is limited - this kind of billing is not a matter of SAG rules but is negotiated by the actors.

If I'm an actor who has been successfully negotiating a certain level of credit and pay in movies and I accept less than that for a given appearance when I could get more, I'm taking money out of the pockets of people like my manager and/or agent as well as giving leverage to the producers on the next project ("You worked for less for Codswallop: The Movie, didn't you? Why them and not us?"). If I'm an actor who's in demand you're not only buying my talent but my reputation. Whether Marlon Brando delivered a performance worth what he was paid for Superman, for example, is a matter of opinion; however, Richard Donner noted that signing Brando essentially got the movie made and got it the budget it needed.
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Old February 1 2013, 04:37 AM   #194
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The SAG/AFTRA contract (2011) is available on their website.

This is what it has to say about theatrical billing:

Billing: (Television & Theatrical) The Producer is required to honor individually negotiated billing as described and agreed upon in the performer's individual contract.
In other words, this is negotiated by actors and their agents.

(Or, just what Dennis said).
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Old February 1 2013, 05:12 AM   #195
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I don't know, the hat looks more "country farmer" than "intimidating gunslinger" in that poster, maybe they should have cut off the top of his head instead of the arm.
Looks to me like a regular Stetson cowboy-style hat.

Getting off-topic for a moment, but all this talk about billing reminds me of the compromise for the two leading stars of The Towering Inferno.



Note the names are in alphabetical order left-to-right, but Newman's name is higher, so neither star could claim "top billing." Actors and their egos . . .
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