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Old January 30 2013, 04:57 PM   #46
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2/17/92. I am 20 about to turn 21.
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You were born on the 2nd day of the 17th month?
Seriously...You are going to come after me for not putting a 0..
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Old January 30 2013, 05:05 PM   #47
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No, he's coming after you for using crazy American date formats. In civilised countries such as the UK, we would put 17/02/92.
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Old January 30 2013, 05:10 PM   #48
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Civilised? Please, we both live in the westcountry. We're still getting to grips with this magical indoor plumbing stuff.
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Old January 30 2013, 05:12 PM   #49
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I'm a pretty accomplished home plumber i'll have you know, I put in a new sink and toilet last year
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Old January 30 2013, 05:37 PM   #50
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2/17/92. I am 20 about to turn 21.
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You were born on the 2nd day of the 17th month?
Seriously...You are going to come after me for not putting a 0..
We have the same birthday, 2/17.

I know we're talking mostly about the physical aspect of discipline. However I believe that the psychological damage done by verbal abuse is much worse in the long run. My father was abusive, occasionally physically but the verbal abuse was constant and often harsher then any physically he could have done. Beyond promising myself to be a much better father to my children then my father was to me, I make a full conscious effort to not hurt my children with verbal abuse. I know how it has effected me, throughout my life.
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Old January 30 2013, 05:55 PM   #51
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No, he's coming after you for using crazy American date formats. In civilised countries such as the UK, we would put 17/02/92.
If anyone was civilized, they'd use a format that couldn't be screwed up or misinterpreted, like 1992/02/17, which is what is required to be used on military documents.
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Old January 30 2013, 06:50 PM   #52
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That's why you have socket covers.
If you have a particularly clever toddler, they don't work at all. In fact, they may find it a fun game to pull them all off!
My youngest sister intentionally stuck her finger in a socket twice. Because once is a fluke, twice is a coincidence, and three times is a pattern. I think after the second time we must have put those covers in, and laziness overrode curiosity.
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Old January 30 2013, 11:28 PM   #53
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No, he's coming after you for using crazy American date formats. In civilised countries such as the UK, we would put 17/02/92.
Yup.

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If anyone was civilized, they'd use a format that couldn't be screwed up or misinterpreted, like 1992/02/17, which is what is required to be used on military documents.
It's just as likely to be misinterpreted as 17/2/1992, which is what we use. If "the military" use that format, my guess is only only because being seen using anything European will send them into fits of convulsions.
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Old January 30 2013, 11:38 PM   #54
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If anyone was civilized, they'd use a format that couldn't be screwed up or misinterpreted, like 1992/02/17, which is what is required to be used on military documents.
It's just as likely to be misinterpreted as 17/2/1992, which is what we use. If "the military" use that format, my guess is only only because being seen using anything European will send them into fits of convulsions.
It not likely to be misinterpreted since nobody uses YYYY/DD/MM as a format, only YYYY/MM/DD. When the year is last, either the day or month could be first.
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Old January 30 2013, 11:51 PM   #55
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Only if putting the month first would make sense. Which it doesn't.
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Old January 31 2013, 01:00 AM   #56
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I have a feeling the discussion is getting off topic. This could be another interesting thread topic though if the debate wants to continue.
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Old January 31 2013, 01:27 AM   #57
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Yeah, true that. The OT is interesting enough for once.
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Old January 31 2013, 07:52 AM   #58
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No, he's coming after you for using crazy American date formats. In civilised countries such as the UK, we would put 17/02/92.
If anyone was civilized, they'd use a format that couldn't be screwed up or misinterpreted, like 1992/02/17, which is what is required to be used on military documents.
You are both wrong! Any civilized person uses Stardates: 9202.17 is the logical way to do it.
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2/17/92. I am 20 about to turn 21.
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You were born on the 2nd day of the 17th month?
Seriously...You are going to come after me for not putting a 0..
We have the same birthday, 2/17.

I know we're talking mostly about the physical aspect of discipline. However I believe that the psychological damage done by verbal abuse is much worse in the long run. My father was abusive, occasionally physically but the verbal abuse was constant and often harsher then any physically he could have done. Beyond promising myself to be a much better father to my children then my father was to me, I make a full conscious effort to not hurt my children with verbal abuse. I know how it has effected me, throughout my life.
I was a victim of physical abuse in the home. If I did not get a beating one day, I was living in constant fear of it happening. However, the verbal abuse was much worse.

When I became a parent, I chose to spank sparingly... but I still spanked when necessary. My little girl is a mother of 4 now. She still remembers the one real spanking she received for getting away from me at a busy county fair. When I found her I was holding her by one hand and spanking with the other. I happened to look up and see a sheriff deputy watching me and said, "I'm going to jail, huh?" His response was, "If it was my child, I'd be doing the same thing. Carry on." She was about 4, I think. She never ran off in public again, though.

My brother and I were taught: Punishment follows wrongdoing. Both of us became successful in life. Our younger siblings were raised in the school of "let's rap/talk about it" and were never spanked. Both are less successful in many areas of life.

I raised both my sister's children, including the little girl mentioned above. Although both went back to their mother in high school, to this day, both of them call my home "Home".

I am also in favor of the new wave of "public embarrassment as punishment". It also teaches them the moral of "Punishment follows wrongdoing." Prisons are full of people who never learned this lesson until it was too late.
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Old January 31 2013, 03:44 PM   #59
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^In general, though, the data don't support your experience. Adults who were spanked as children are generally less successful than those who were not spanked. And I certainly don't think one has to be physically punished to be punished.
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When I became a parent, I chose to spank sparingly... but I still spanked when necessary. My little girl is a mother of 4 now. She still remembers the one real spanking she received for getting away from me at a busy county fair. When I found her I was holding her by one hand and spanking with the other. I happened to look up and see a sheriff deputy watching me and said, "I'm going to jail, huh?" His response was, "If it was my child, I'd be doing the same thing. Carry on." She was about 4, I think. She never ran off in public again, though.
The only real spanking my sixteen-year old son ever received was from my wife. We had a grocery store that was a block away from our house and she was there checking out when she let go of his hand to pay the cashier. She looked back down and he was gone. They locked down the store and called the police.

They found him sitting on our back porch. He decided he'd walk home instead of waiting. He was around four and got his ass reddened good by my wife.
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