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Old January 25 2013, 12:37 AM   #16
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Re: What did Voyager do with the bodies of dead crewmembers?

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This is what I imagine to be in a torpedo casing normally.

1. Explosives.
2. A Warp drive.
3. An Impulse Drive
4, Fuel for the Engine.
5. A navigation system.
6. Remote Subspace failsafes.
7. Navigation shields.

What do you believe that they should extract to fit the corpse and the torpedo will still be space worthy?
Firing torpedoes at warp always made me scratch my head.... if they're moving faster than light and fire a projectile weapon... shouldn't they fly into their own torpedo... reverse firing would work, but not forward firing.
You're on the roof of a train moving east, and there's another train on the opposing track moving west towards you, you have a mortar and you have to fire a grenade at a teacup in the dining cart of the approaching train.

That may seem difficult but now imagine that both trains were switching velocities between full impulse (1/4 the speed of light) to any warp speed ranging from dozens of times the speed of light to thousands of times the speed of light... And they're now separated by a distance of 40 thousand kilometres.

Torpedoes are not cannon balls.

They have engines.

Warp drive and impulse drive.

It's how they can hit a moving target 40 thousand kilometres away with incredible accuracy.
Engines sure... but warp? If they do they just use them in a mindnumbingly dumb manner then. Screw the explosive if that torpedo can accelerate past warp 9, impact force alone would destroy a stationary target.

Though the fact we -see- the torpedoes sort of negates this.
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Old January 25 2013, 01:18 AM   #17
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Seriously?

We can see ships at warp chasing each other in different warp bubbles.

If they shot a torpedo, once it left it's ships warp bubble it would have to obey the rules for real space and need hours to decades to reach it's target.

besides, it can't be safe to activate a warp bubble inside another bubble so of course they also have impulse drives which I always have stipulated.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Photon_torpedo
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Old January 29 2013, 01:23 AM   #18
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Soylent Green.

We saw Janeway send the 21st century astronaut on his way via torpedo tube, so I assume everyone not vaporized went "that way".
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Old January 29 2013, 01:38 AM   #19
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Maybe they were recycled into decorative wall hangings.

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Old January 29 2013, 04:02 AM   #20
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They're not torpedoes, they're torpedo casings. I'm sure the vitals were the parts that couldn't be replicated, not the casing and such vitals are removed to make room for the body (thus all a civilization might find is the casing). Making casings can probably be done easily. For all we know, people on Earth could be buried in "photon torpedo casings". They could be shooting coffins in battle! They just happened to load them with bomb components.
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They're not torpedoes, they're torpedo casings. I'm sure the vitals were the parts that couldn't be replicated, not the casing and such vitals are removed to make room for the body (thus all a civilization might find is the casing). Making casings can probably be done easily. For all we know, people on Earth could be buried in "photon torpedo casings". They could be shooting coffins in battle! They just happened to load them with bomb components.
This is what I imagine to be in a torpedo casing normally.

1. Explosives.
2. A Warp drive.
3. An Impulse Drive
4, Fuel for the Engine.
5. A navigation system.
6. Remote Subspace failsafes.
7. Navigation shields.

What do you believe that they should extract to fit the corpse and the torpedo will still be space worthy?
Firing torpedoes at warp always made me scratch my head.... if they're moving faster than light and fire a projectile weapon... shouldn't they fly into their own torpedo... reverse firing would work, but not forward firing.
You folks just ruin the concept of fiction.
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Old January 29 2013, 04:19 AM   #21
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They're not torpedoes, they're torpedo casings. I'm sure the vitals were the parts that couldn't be replicated, not the casing and such vitals are removed to make room for the body (thus all a civilization might find is the casing). Making casings can probably be done easily. For all we know, people on Earth could be buried in "photon torpedo casings". They could be shooting coffins in battle! They just happened to load them with bomb components.
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This is what I imagine to be in a torpedo casing normally.

1. Explosives.
2. A Warp drive.
3. An Impulse Drive
4, Fuel for the Engine.
5. A navigation system.
6. Remote Subspace failsafes.
7. Navigation shields.

What do you believe that they should extract to fit the corpse and the torpedo will still be space worthy?
Firing torpedoes at warp always made me scratch my head.... if they're moving faster than light and fire a projectile weapon... shouldn't they fly into their own torpedo... reverse firing would work, but not forward firing.
You folks just ruin the concept of fiction.
I don't mind fictional concepts, I just wish they'd follow the rules they establish... like you can't beam through shields. Then next episode they can.
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Old January 29 2013, 05:17 AM   #22
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Re: What did Voyager do with the bodies of dead crewmembers?

I want to know what they did with the rest of the sophisticated 29th century technology from the Borg drone "One".
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Old January 29 2013, 05:40 AM   #23
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I want to know what they did with the rest of the sophisticated 29th century technology from the Borg drone "One".
The same thing that happened to the Borg baby.
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Old January 29 2013, 06:09 AM   #24
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I want to know what they did with the rest of the sophisticated 29th century technology from the Borg drone "One".
Apparently the only thing recovered was the mobile emitter. Maybe Seven insisted on a traditional human ceremony for such circumstances.
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Old January 29 2013, 06:17 AM   #25
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^ I think he was referring to the maturation chamber and what not.
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Old January 29 2013, 06:20 AM   #26
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Oh yeah, I forgot about the what not.
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Old January 31 2013, 03:54 AM   #27
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Threw it in the replicator??

What would they really need it for beyond that episode?
It only serves one purpose, right?

.....unless Seven & Neelix converted it into a new type of coffee maker.

As far as the Borg baby, (I wish I kept the link) but a fellow member had posted that there was a line about how it was given to the parents of the Borg twins that also took Mazati but got edited out due to time restraints. I remember around the time of "Dark Frontier", the script writers/editors had to shave a minute off each episode going forward to make room for more commercials. I know on the DVD's, the episode "Dark Frontier" has an extended scene with Tom & Harry in the mess hall that wasn't shown in full when it aired on regular TV.
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Old January 31 2013, 04:31 AM   #28
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Berman or Braga, who cares, said that at convention to a heckling crowd, but I feel like what you're thinking of is that there was a line to that effect at some point which was dropped from the final script because Berman thought that we weren't idiots and it was all self evident that Janeway would have found the babies parent between Child's Play and good shepherd.

Good Shepherd is the episode where she decides that she isn't a good enough mother to all the crew? This is after they spent a month looking for the mother of a Borg baby who's world have probably been totally assimilated leaving no survivors, but against all odds they found her and there was a happy ending... Maybe seeing the glow in that young mothers cheeks as she reclaimable her thought stolen babe is why Janeway reached out to her own lost boys hiding in the lower decks?

Bah, humbug.

If there had been such a simple answer to this quandary, it's unlikely to have plagued us this long.
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Old February 2 2013, 07:02 AM   #29
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Umm, no.
I'm pretty sure I was clear about it was probably cut due shave a minute off the ep., which has nothing to do with us the audience or how smart or not he thought we were. Not everything is about us.
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Old February 2 2013, 07:23 AM   #30
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I should have said "Berman said".

But yes, that too, his belief in our ability to grasp the blatantly obvious, was part of his tremendously loud con-rant.
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