Abrams: Star Wars AND Star Trek

[Greg Cox]

My Name Is Legion wrote:

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I didn't encounter a "she" with any connection or interest in sf until I was in college. She was gorgeous, really friendly - and dating the aforementioned too-cool film guy in the SF Society.

We had a handful of "she's" in my college sf club--and, yes, they pretty much had their pick of the guys!

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I was engaged by the time I met her anyway, so it was, ah, academic. Years later my SO insisted that skiffiness was clearly hereditary and dominant because she was surrounded by very short fans despite not carrying the gene herself.

[DalekJim]

You cats are making me feel obscenely young.

[Admiral Buzzkill]

You are. That's why we are so much wiser.

[DalekJim]

No comment .

[Greg Cox]

DalekJim wrote:

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You cats are making me feel obscenely young.

As opposed to us feeling obscenely old.

I think you win!

[DalekJim]

Well, at least when you were younger Star Trek had a bright future beyond action movies in a separate continuity and sporadic novel releases. I'm in the wrong generation for this fandom.

[The Mirrorball Man]

DalekJim wrote:

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Well, at least when you were younger Star Trek had a bright future beyond action movies in a separate continuity and sporadic novel releases. I'm in the wrong generation for this fandom.

Nevertheless, you seem to take great enjoyment from your predicament. So it worked out fine in the end.

[DalekJim]

The Mirrorball Man wrote:

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Nevertheless, you seem to take great enjoyment from your predicament. So it worked out fine in the end.

Well, the Typhon Pact novels came through the post today so my appetite for new Trek will be fulfilled for a little while yet.

[Greg Cox]

DalekJim wrote:

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Well, at least when you were younger Star Trek had a bright future beyond action movies in a separate continuity and sporadic novel releases. I'm in the wrong generation for this fandom.

Um, when I was younger, all we had were the 79 original episodes being rerun constantly in syndication, a short-lived cartoon series, and constant vague rumors that maybe there might be a new movie or TV show someday . . . if Roddenberry wasn't busy with The Questor Tapes, Genesis II, Spectre, etc. Who could've dreamed that someday we would looking forward to a twelth STAR TREK movie . . . and that ST novels would coming out every month like clockwork?

Compared to the seventies, we're living the dream!


(Seriously, I'm not sure what you meant by "sporadic" with regards to the novels. There's been at least one a month, every month, for years now.)

[DalekJim]

I was referring to the late 80s but I see your point. I just wish I was old enough to have experienced TNG S1-ENT S4 properly. And I don't even like TNG S1 .

Greg Cox wrote:

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(Seriously, I'm not sure what you meant by "sporadic" with regards to the novels. There's been at least one a month, every month, for years now.)

I was thinking from a Niner perspective. There are no doubt lots of other excellent Trek novels coming out but I never know who's recommendation to trust. Fans tend not to care too much about the prose.

[Admiral Buzzkill]

DalekJim wrote:

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Well, at least when you were younger Star Trek had a bright future beyond action movies in a separate continuity and sporadic novel releases. I'm in the wrong generation for this fandom.

You have no realistic idea of what Star Trek's future might be. None at all.

What we knew in the 1970s was that a dead failed TV show was a dead failed TV show, and while we kept campaigning and hoping for something, until around 1976 no one had any real reason to believe that anything was going to happen with Star Trek.

I guarantee you that no one was saying "I can't wait until the day when there are seven hundred hours of Trek for fans to obsess and argue over and be pissed off about - that's the future worth living for!"

Hell, maybe that's why younger fans are so quick to complain about everything. I certainly do think that skiffy fans are much more critical of Hollywood's current fantasy films than I could imagine being. When I was a kid or young adult the idea of, say, a Green Lantern film as extravagant and exciting as the one that disappointed so many people a couple of years ago would have been beyond all expectations.

[DalekJim]

My Name Is Legion wrote:

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You have no realistic idea of what Star Trek's future might be. None at all.

Maybe not but I do think it is inevitable there will be another TV series. It'd guarantee that the relevant people have at least been thinking about it.

I'd really like to see a modern animated Trek series. They could have more interesting alien designs, without having to consider budget and resorting to forehead bumps.

[Greg Cox]

DalekJim wrote:

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And I don't even like TNG S1 .

Nobody did, but we were so starved for STAR TREK that we watched it anyway!

But, yeah, the idea that Star Trek had a glorious future ahead of it would have been sheer wishful thinking back in the day.

Maybe that's why us old-timers aren't so traumatized at the prospect of Trek getting reinvented and rebooted every few decades--and tend to roll our eyes when the latest round of hand-wringing breaks out. We've gone through all of this before . . . .

"What? They're bringing STAR TREK back without Kirk and Spock? Starring some bald guy and a robot? That's it, STAR TREK is ruined forever!"

"Deep Space Nine? What, they're not even on a starship, they're just boldly sitting in one place? That's not STAR TREK! Roddenberry would never stand for it!"

"Voyager? That's not STAR TREK, that's LOST IN SPACE. It's official: STAR TREK is dead to me!"

"Enterprise? Who the hell is this Archer dude? Canon violation!"

The more things change . . . .

[DalekJim]

I don't think age should be an excuse for dismissing anybody's views.