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Old January 27 2013, 03:02 AM   #31
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Re: Ant-Man and Dr. Strange part of Marvel Cinematic Universe phase 3

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Your sarcasm aside, there is a key difference, in that one scenario posits characters who are essentially magic, and the other posits that magic suffuses existence. It's really the same fundamental difference between Wars and Trek, and to attack someone who likes to recognize that distinction is ungracious.
Relax, I'm not attacking anyone. I'm just teasing. And I'm pointing out that there is plenty about comic books that is intrinsically silly. There was a time when comic books weren't ashamed of that fact, when anything was fair game no matter how bizarre or insane, because it was all just supposed to be fun and playful and the creators and fans didn't get as self-conscious about taking it seriously as they do these days. Lee and Kirby certainly didn't care about the distinction between science and magic; the Fantastic Four may have gotten their power from cosmic rays, but Dr. Doom is as much a sorceror as a scientific genius.
Besides, magic is just technobabble technology that we can't explain yet.
Or it's just magic.
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Old January 27 2013, 03:23 AM   #32
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Re: Ant-Man and Dr. Strange part of Marvel Cinematic Universe phase 3

So, what characters do want to see? Clea and Wong are non-brainers, along with the Ancient One.

As for the villains, the big question: do you go straight to Dormammu right away, or do you tease him a bit by bringing in Mordo or Umar first? Or do you go with Nightmare instead?

Thoughts?
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Old January 27 2013, 03:25 AM   #33
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And part of the fun of superhero comics is that they're a total melange of genres, everything from pulp crime fiction to space opera to fantasy to horror to Westerns to soap opera to comedy. If the Justice League (at least in the DCAU) can include Martian Manhunter, Vigilante, Shining Knight, Orion, the Demon, and Adam Strange as well as Batman and Steel, then it's not that great a stretch to throw in Zatanna and Dr. Fate as well.
It's also not a stretch to include Dr. Fate in the JLA, since he was a founding member of the JSA in 1940.
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Old January 27 2013, 04:27 AM   #34
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So, what characters do want to see? Clea and Wong are non-brainers, along with the Ancient One.

As for the villains, the big question: do you go straight to Dormammu right away, or do you tease him a bit by bringing in Mordo or Umar first? Or do you go with Nightmare instead?

Thoughts?

I'd probably start with an origin story of Dr. Strange and develop the characters which would mean going with Mordo by default. Strange's initial disbelief of magic and his rivalry with Mordo. His discipleship with the Ancient One and later as his "father figure".

The second movie, I'd go with Dormammu and introduce Clea. This time go with more sfx with Dormammu and the Dark Dimension.

I agree with your takes on Lee/Ditko and Englehart/Brunner/Colan being my 2 favorite periods from the comics.Who can forget the classic "search for Eternity" or the Silver Dagger saga? However, my favorite villain will always be Nightmare!
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Old January 27 2013, 04:55 AM   #35
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So, what characters do want to see? Clea and Wong are non-brainers, along with the Ancient One.

As for the villains, the big question: do you go straight to Dormammu right away, or do you tease him a bit by bringing in Mordo or Umar first? Or do you go with Nightmare instead?

Thoughts?

I'd probably start with an origin story of Dr. Strange and develop the characters which would mean going with Mordo by default. Strange's initial disbelief of magic and his rivalry with Mordo. His discipleship with the Ancient One and later as his "father figure".

The second movie, I'd go with Dormammu and introduce Clea. This time go with more sfx with Dormammu and the Dark Dimension.

I agree with your takes on Lee/Ditko and Englehart/Brunner/Colan being my 2 favorite periods from the comics.Who can forget the classic "search for Eternity" or the Silver Dagger saga? However, my favorite villain will always be Nightmare!

And Shuma-Gorath . . . and Sise-Neg.
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Old January 27 2013, 05:09 AM   #36
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If Dr Strange is important to Phase Three, that suggests that Avengers 3 is going to use a Dr Strange villain like Dormammu for it's big alien invasion at the end, just like they're doing Thanos and the Guardians of the Galaxy in Phase Two.
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Old January 27 2013, 06:40 AM   #37
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Re: Ant-Man and Dr. Strange part of Marvel Cinematic Universe phase 3

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Your sarcasm aside, there is a key difference, in that one scenario posits characters who are essentially magic, and the other posits that magic suffuses existence. It's really the same fundamental difference between Wars and Trek, and to attack someone who likes to recognize that distinction is ungracious.
Relax, I'm not attacking anyone. I'm just teasing. And I'm pointing out that there is plenty about comic books that is intrinsically silly. There was a time when comic books weren't ashamed of that fact, when anything was fair game no matter how bizarre or insane, because it was all just supposed to be fun and playful and the creators and fans didn't get as self-conscious about taking it seriously as they do these days. Lee and Kirby certainly didn't care about the distinction between science and magic; the Fantastic Four may have gotten their power from cosmic rays, but Dr. Doom is as much a sorceror as a scientific genius.
Besides, magic is just technobabble technology that we can't explain yet.
Which, ironically, was Hank Pym's take on he subject in his Mighty Avengers days.
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Old January 28 2013, 01:24 AM   #38
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If Dr Strange is important to Phase Three, that suggests that Avengers 3 is going to use a Dr Strange villain like Dormammu for it's big alien invasion at the end, just like they're doing Thanos and the Guardians of the Galaxy in Phase Two.
If they did jump to using Dormammu right away in the 1st Strange movie, he would definitely bring a presence to the screen with the sfx head. I've always imagined a loud booming voice similar to that of the Guardian of Forever or the Melkotian in ST:TOS. Throw some curves in with Clea and Umar. Add a few hundred Mindless Ones to help with the alien invasion aspect and you've got the beginnings of a good movie or two.
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Old January 28 2013, 02:04 AM   #39
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If Dr Strange is important to Phase Three, that suggests that Avengers 3 is going to use a Dr Strange villain like Dormammu for it's big alien invasion at the end, just like they're doing Thanos and the Guardians of the Galaxy in Phase Two.
If they did jump to using Dormammu right away in the 1st Strange movie, he would definitely bring a presence to the screen with the sfx head. I've always imagined a loud booming voice similar to that of the Guardian of Forever or the Melkotian in ST:TOS. Throw some curves in with Clea and Umar. Add a few hundred Mindless Ones to help with the alien invasion aspect and you've got the beginnings of a good movie or two.
Works for me, as long as we get some psychedelic, Ditko-esque art direction as well.
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Old January 28 2013, 07:20 AM   #40
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Re: Ant-Man and Dr. Strange part of Marvel Cinematic Universe phase 3

I'm looking forward to all of the new Marvel film announced thus far.

I only wish they could bring Daredevil, Spidey, Fantastic Four, & X-men back to the fold of a shared universe. I miss those guys.

Anywho...

Dr. Strange & Ant-Man are pretty much given based on what's been said, so I'm also hoping to see Black Panther, Ms. Marvel, Heroes for Hire (Cage, Iron Fist, & Jessica Drew) at some point.

I'd also love to see Felicia Hardy aka Black Cat, but that's just because I want to see who they'd cast. lol.
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Old January 28 2013, 07:35 AM   #41
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I'm looking forward to all of the new Marvel film announced thus far.

I only wish they could bring Daredevil, Spidey, Fantastic Four, & X-men back to the fold of a shared universe. I miss those guys.
FOX has already let the Daredevil rights revert back to Marvel through their inaction on the property, and Sony has been contemplating selling off its entertainment assets, so there is hope for Spider-Man.
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Old January 28 2013, 07:38 AM   #42
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Re: Ant-Man and Dr. Strange part of Marvel Cinematic Universe phase 3

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So, what characters do want to see? Clea and Wong are non-brainers, along with the Ancient One.

As for the villains, the big question: do you go straight to Dormammu right away, or do you tease him a bit by bringing in Mordo or Umar first? Or do you go with Nightmare instead?

Thoughts?

I'd probably start with an origin story of Dr. Strange and develop the characters which would mean going with Mordo by default. Strange's initial disbelief of magic and his rivalry with Mordo. His discipleship with the Ancient One and later as his "father figure".

The second movie, I'd go with Dormammu and introduce Clea. This time go with more sfx with Dormammu and the Dark Dimension. ...
That does seem to be the trend now, to start with a lesser villain and save the big one for movie two or three. I could see them using Mordo as the villain for one and then doing a post-credits scene that hints at Dormammu as a set up for movie two.
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Old January 28 2013, 02:02 PM   #43
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I only wish they could bring Daredevil, Spidey, Fantastic Four, & X-men back to the fold of a shared universe. I miss those guys.
I feel X-Men is such a robust cast of characters that cross-overs tend to be distracting. You end up with mutants as a product of evolution and all the allegories that come with it and, oh by the way, there are other super heroes that are artificial and have none of those things but can still pose the same threats to other people. It undercuts the themes a bit. So I'm fine with X-Men being a separate universe.

Similarly, I feel that Daredevil and Punisher (might be missing someone) would work great in the same universe as Spiderman, but you don't necessarily need them in the Avengers universe.
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Old January 28 2013, 03:37 PM   #44
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Re the magic issue and audiences acceptance thereof - a couple of years ago, people were voicing the concern that Thor would be a hard sell, with his Norse Gods etc, but that worked out all right.
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I only wish they could bring Daredevil, Spidey, Fantastic Four, & X-men back to the fold of a shared universe. I miss those guys.
I used to think that way, but then I read an article or blog post that made a really good point: Any one movie studio can only make a finite number of movies per year, so if Marvel got back the rights to all its characters, we'd get fewer Marvel superhero movies in all. So now I think it's better to have them spread out among multiple studios working on them simultaneously. All we need is for the different studios to cooperate, to coordinate their efforts in order to establish a sense of continuity. That almost happened last year -- the makers of The Avengers had an agreement in principle with Sony to insert The Amazing Spider-Man's Oscorp Tower into their digital Manhattan skyline, but it didn't work out because of the timing of the post-production of the respective films. But it could've happened there, and it could happen again in the future.


I'd also love to see Felicia Hardy aka Black Cat, but that's just because I want to see who they'd cast. lol.
I assume you're thinking of the curvaceous way she's usually drawn. I'd really rather not see her portrayed that way. I've got nothing against curvaceous women in principle, but it's a terrible body type for a catburglar, someone who's supposed to be light and agile and able to slink through tight spaces. It's a mistake to render Black Cat and Catwoman that way, a triumph of cookie-cutter fetishism over good character design.
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