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Old January 23 2013, 06:57 PM   #31
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Re: Problem with the episode "Justice"

a mediator sees me, he can't do anything?
Doesn't sound likely, as being next to a Mediator seems to define a Zone...

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Old January 23 2013, 07:15 PM   #32
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Now, the insinuation that the way to prevent all crime is to have really harsh punishments, is just plain silly.
Not necessarily. After a few millenia of removing criminals from the gene pool while encouraging law-abiding citizens to spend their lives screwing their brains out, they may have bred a population who eschew crime by their nature.
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Old January 23 2013, 08:35 PM   #33
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Now, the insinuation that the way to prevent all crime is to have really harsh punishments, is just plain silly.
Not necessarily. After a few millenia of removing criminals from the gene pool while encouraging law-abiding citizens to spend their lives screwing their brains out, they may have bred a population who eschew crime by their nature.

er, I don't think criminal behavior is necessarily genetic, especially when "criminal behavior" in that society can be as vague as "accidentally stumbling over some flowers."
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Old January 23 2013, 08:43 PM   #34
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a mediator sees me, he can't do anything?
Doesn't sound likely, as being next to a Mediator seems to define a Zone...

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I'm not sure about this. From of the episode (after Riker attacked the mediator to defend Wesley):

WESLEY
(disbelieving)
He was going to kill me?

SECOND MEDIATOR
(to Riker)
And if this Zone were still in
effect, you would all deserve
death.

FIRST MEDIATOR
It was announced you came as
friends. Is this how friends act?
So, they commited a crime near a mediator, but not in a zone. Heck, they assaulted a mediator!

Worst. Legal. System. Ever!

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Old January 23 2013, 11:45 PM   #35
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Now, the insinuation that the way to prevent all crime is to have really harsh punishments, is just plain silly.
Not necessarily. After a few millenia of removing criminals from the gene pool while encouraging law-abiding citizens to spend their lives screwing their brains out, they may have bred a population who eschew crime by their nature.

er, I don't think criminal behavior is necessarily genetic, especially when "criminal behavior" in that society can be as vague as "accidentally stumbling over some flowers."
I’m not saying the law itself is encoded in their genes, but a predisposition to obey the rules and fear punishment is most definitely a genetic trait. It’s why dogs make much better pets than jackals.
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Old January 26 2013, 02:28 AM   #36
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There seems to be a huge problem with the episode Justice. In the beginning of the episode Tasha Yar describes the Edo's legal system as very straight forward and based on common sense. Later on, Wesley Crusher is sentenced to death for committing a minor tort. How did Tasha Yar not know that death was the punishment for almost every crime, if she studied their legal code, that seems like a big oversight on the part of her and the crew at large. Why was this oversight allowed to occur?
If that's you're only problem with that episode... count yourself lucky. I for one get a little nauseated by the presentation of oily sun glistened Aryans being a Utopia
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Old January 26 2013, 04:18 PM   #37
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What have you got against oil?
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Old January 26 2013, 08:37 PM   #38
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What have you got against oil?
besides having to carpet bomb third world villages to lower the price at the pump by a penny? Nothing... Just kidding, lol

But seriously, you must know you glanced over the point. The oil is there to accentuate the sexuality, which is there to heighten the sense of an ideal culture of carnal pleasures, an ideal culture 100% comprised of simple minded Hitler fap fodder

It's a bit gauche at the very least, especially since they'd already featured the belligerent, dishonest, kidnapping, vaccine lording culture of people who looked and sounded like they'd just walked out of Eddie Murphy's fictional Zamunda

Were all those things likely inadvertent? Probably, but it's still a reason to have problems with those 2 episodes in my opinion
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Old January 26 2013, 09:48 PM   #39
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What have you got against oil?
besides having to carpet bomb third world villages to lower the price at the pump by a penny? Nothing... Just kidding, lol

But seriously, you must know you glanced over the point. The oil is there to accentuate the sexuality, which is there to heighten the sense of an ideal culture of carnal pleasures, an ideal culture 100% comprised of simple minded Hitler fap fodder

It's a bit gauche at the very least, especially since they'd already featured the belligerent, dishonest, kidnapping, vaccine lording culture of people who looked and sounded like they'd just walked out of Eddie Murphy's fictional Zamunda

Were all those things likely inadvertent? Probably, but it's still a reason to have problems with those 2 episodes in my opinion
Also worth noting is that the Ferengi look like antisemetic stereotypes.
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Old January 26 2013, 10:50 PM   #40
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Mojochi wrote: View Post
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[Tasha's an idiot]
If that's you're only problem with that episode... count yourself lucky. I for one get a little nauseated by the presentation of oily sun glistened Aryans being a Utopia
As in no Africans, Asians, Hispanics, Middle Easterners, and everyone in blonde wigs?

As for the semi-nudity and sexual themes, we already knew by that time that Roddenberry was a bit kinky.
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Old January 28 2013, 12:46 PM   #41
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we already knew by that time that Roddenberry was a bit kinky.
The phrase is "dirty old man".

I've always wondered if Marina Sirtis's odd voice for the first couple of seasons was because she had her mouth full when she got the part, and felt she had to keep talking like that!
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Old January 28 2013, 01:25 PM   #42
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Thank you very much for that mental image.



ETA: Ugh. I think that emoticon just made it worse.
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Old January 28 2013, 04:16 PM   #43
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My biggest problem with the episode is that the Enterprise made contact with the Edo in the first place, they seemed to be not only pre warp but pre space flight. In "Coming of Age" they mentioned that Picard violated the prime directive by interfering in the Edo's laws but didn't he violate the prime directive by just making contact with them?
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Old January 28 2013, 06:13 PM   #44
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I assume the Edo were already "contaminated", as in, they were already aware of the warp-capable galactic society beyond their planet. Perhaps their god had something to do with that.
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Old January 28 2013, 10:13 PM   #45
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I assume the Edo were already "contaminated", as in, they were already aware of the warp-capable galactic society beyond their planet. Perhaps their god had something to do with that.
It did seem that way. Travelers from beyond their world did not seem like a new idea to them
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